[Biggs]

DF, could you possibly lower the mp_timelimit on ctf_well on Valve maps #1? I feel like 35 minutes is a little excessive for that map... Mostly because I can't stand ctf_well since they changed the middle point. lol. I just get bored out of my mind on that map after 5 or 10 minutes.

I'm not sure how everyone else feels about the matter so I set up a poll.

[Hell-met]

No one touches my ctf_well.

[TheDopp]

Have hated ctf_well since Valve changed it from the cp_well layout.

[Biggs]

No one touches my ctf_well.

You can have the damned thing. :lol:

Have hated ctf_well since Valve changed it from the cp_well layout.

Yea, before they changed it, it wasn't my favorite map but I could still stand to play it. But they had to go and ruin it to "reduce the overall map length."

RIP old ctf_well.
Feb 14 2008 - June 19 2008.

[IamTHEBOOKIE]

I hate any CTF map so I would vote for lowest possible time ever.

[Hell-met]

You actually hate the map because it has it's own style?

You liked it better when it was a 100% replica of an already existing map?

K.

[Drunken F00l]

I like it much better now with the change.

[Biggs]

Well, at least now I know that I'm not alone in my suffering. :lol:

[trover4]

You actually hate the map because it has it's own style?

You liked it better when it was a 100% replica of an already existing map?

K.

i have to agree with Hell-met here. The middle area of ctf_well now is a little more like the older version and i think plays much better (maybe not in a 32 man server, never tried it) than the older version. Plus in a game like this there is absolutly no reason to make the intel be a mile and a half away from the base you start in ctf_well is large enough to begin with adding the giant pointless building in the middle that gets locked down quickly doesn't do great things for the map. From reading all of the posts my guess that you don't have so much a problem with ctf_well as you do with all ctf maps. That all ctf maps are virtually unplayable at +20 people...you just lock horns and push at each other for 30-45 minutes before it decides it was a stalemate.

[Biggs]

You actually hate the map because it has it's own style?
You liked it better when it was a 100% replica of an already existing map?
K.

Sorry, I overlooked this somehow.
If by style you mean giant clusterfuck, then yes.
I truly do not like the design of the new ctf_well. And when it was 100% replica, I didn't particularly enjoy it by any means, but I didn't hate it as much as I hate the new version. That was my point. I wish they would have made an entirely new ctf map, rather than them trying to optimize cp_well to be one.

i have to agree with Hell-met here. The middle area of ctf_well now is a little more like the older version and i think plays much better (maybe not in a 32 man server, never tried it) than the older version. Plus in a game like this there is absolutly no reason to make the intel be a mile and a half away from the base you start in ctf_well is large enough to begin with adding the giant pointless building in the middle that gets locked down quickly doesn't do great things for the map. From reading all of the posts my guess that you don't have so much a problem with ctf_well as you do with all ctf maps. That all ctf maps are virtually unplayable at +20 people...you just lock horns and push at each other for 30-45 minutes before it decides it was a stalemate.

It can get just as locked down without the building, partly because of the lack of the water passage. And yes, 32 people on that map usually = stalemate. You should join valve maps #1 while it's on ctf_well and play through it for 35 minutes and tell me if your opinion is the same afterwards.

They did reduce the overall length of the map but it's by such a small factor that it's just a drop in the bucket. Blue on black.

And you're right in the assumption that I don't really like ctf maps because they're usually long drawn out stalemates. But to say that I don't have a problem with ctf_well would be false. It is by far my least "favorite" ctf map. ctf_turbine is alright though, it is still playable with 32 people, somehow.

I didn't make this thread to ask DF to remove the map or anything, I just wanted to see if he would consider shortening the monotony that is ctf_well. And of course to see how many other people agreed/disagreed.