[OmegaZero_Alpha]

It's TECHNICALLY possible to cause a Nat Overflow (technically a stack overflow as there is no maximum connections for NAT on older devices), but you're looking at about 10000-15000 unique connections within the default 500ms timeout and assuming it's a cheap enough router not to have either Nat Overload, or a stack drop (where it forcefully purges the table if it hits a certain number).

This would be an insane feat, though, as even some of the most famously large DDoS attacks have been limited to about 1000 machines, and we're talking about getting about 2-5 unique connections PER MILLISECOND over a home connection.

Most ISP's won't allow you to have that many active connections in that short amount of time (most of them wouldn't even forward that many due to local backbone limitations), and the router would have to be responding to them in order for the connections to bypass delayed binding.

[TheDopp]

It's TECHNICALLY possible to cause a Nat Overflow (technically a stack overflow as there is no maximum connections for NAT on older devices), but you're looking at about 10000-15000 unique connections within the default 500ms timeout and assuming it's a cheap enough router not to have either Nat Overload, or a stack drop (where it forcefully purges the table if it hits a certain number).

This would be an insane feat, though, as even some of the most famously large DDoS attacks have been limited to about 1000 machines, and we're talking about getting about 2-5 unique connections PER MILLISECOND over a home connection.

Most ISP's won't allow you to have that many active connections in that short amount of time (most of them wouldn't even forward that many due to local backbone limitations), and the router would have to be responding to them in order for the connections to bypass delayed binding.

In other words, case closed, his router was probably just old, dusty and overheating which caused it to crash and the CSR at his ISP just saw an open UDP connection to a game server, or the porn torrent he had going as "an attack".

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

That's what I was thinking. It's not entirely impossible, but what he was describing wasn't feasible.

I simply saw that he was accusing somebody of a somewhat serious crime and was wondering if he had any proof other than an appeal to spite.

[Deus35Crasher]

I didn't know there was so much drama surrounding tf2-trader. I've joined their server once and everything seemed fine. None of the other unusual servers ever badmouthed tf2-trader, mostly what I hear is the Pink-Taco server is filled with idiots. (May be true, but I like going there.)

I find it amusing that these guys would seriously try and shark like this. Here I thought Derongan was bad...mind blown.

[ChaosGoW]

There are some good people who try to help TF2-Trader or just go there to trade legitimately. I feel for those people.

[T-Virus]

Hey guys. So I'm new to these forums but I am not new to unusual trading. I would like to add a little evidence to the whole sharking thing with the conspicuous Blackend.


So ever since I got my first unusual hat I have been on tf2-trader. I have become friends with a lot of the admins on trader when I was there. Recently I started a new unusual server with a custom map and 30 slot server (check it out if you want 216.6.232.148:27015 ) and I was banned from rawr and trader for taking people from there server. NEVER HAPPENED. Anyway thats a different story, I'm really here to report some stuff I got from talking with people who were friends with Blackend b4 all this shit happened.


The first chat is with blaster.

:IMPORTANT PARTS OF CHAT:
T-Virus 2LGT: man, i heard many stories from the inside as well as seen him saying he uses it for sharking my self
Blaster: true fact
Blaster: he didnt sharked that ballcap
Blaster: some one else did
T-Virus 2LGT: yeah i know
T-Virus 2LGT: who did
Blaster: who?
T-Virus 2LGT: i forget, i was talking to him yesterday
T-Virus 2LGT: or two days ago
T-Virus 2LGT: let me check
T-Virus 2LGT: blaster i have had proof of black sharking
T-Virus 2LGT: but im not a little bitch
T-Virus 2LGT: and im still not going to despite how pissed i am
Blaster: well, he may have sharked before, i was unaware of that, but regarding the ballcap, he didnt sharked it, which is why every one turned ther backs and started boycotting his server
Blaster: he is covering some one else
Blaster: not going to name who it is
T-Virus 2LGT: i know who it was man
Blaster: he got fucked by covering that person
Blaster: ya, me too
T-Virus 2LGT: i forget his fucking name ill go through my friends list
Blaster: haha
Blaster: hes online btw
T-Virus 2LGT: who black?
Blaster: the person who im not going to name
T-Virus 2LGT: prodigy


AND


T-Virus 2LGT: no i mean you paid him unusuals because he let you use it to shark
T-Virus 2LGT: since he beginning he intended it to shark
Blaster: oh, nope, no way
T-Virus 2LGT: well i know it happened man
Blaster: when diz got caught he had to give blackened some unusuals
Blaster: diz added me
Blaster: and tried to blackmail me
Blaster: i told him to go fuck himself
Blaster: and didnt gave blacky nothing
Blaster: i know that blackened told diz to tell me to give him some unusuals as a part of his work on the search engine
Blaster: so ya, im not involved in any way with blackie like diz was
T-Virus 2LGT: it wasnt really his work, more than the unusuals diz was getting
Blaster: ya i know, diz is the one who told me taht

:END IMPORTANT MESSAGES:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29qi1eb&s=5 (first pic, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2807535&s=5 (pic two, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2vudkdj&s=5 (pic three, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n00o75&s=5 (pic four, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=li8zl&s=5 (pic five, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2l963w0&s=5 (pic six, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1hx8xu&s=5 (pic seven, blaster pm)

Second chat with anon(good friend who wanted to stay anonymous) DIZ, and I

Important part of the chat confirmed that blackend was hiding prodigy (the original scammer of the burning ballcap)
Prodigy himself told me he scammed the ballcap on his alt account. Unfortunately I did not get that chat because i hadn't thought to save it.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=33cwvm8&s=5 (pic one, DIZ, anon., me)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zdq4pe&s=5 pic two, DIZ, anon., me)


Also I myself have heard Blackend bragging about his unusual search and how there was someone with a High tier Samur-eye with less than 100 hours. In the same time he was telling me how there were 100's (something like that) of people with unusual hats under 100 hours. He kept going on and on about that.

[GIJoe]

There are some good people who try to help TF2-Trader or just go there to trade legitimately. I feel for those people.

I'm sure other trading servers will pop up where they can go to instead......I mean UTC must be getting some more regular numbers right?

.....and T Virus....I've heard many people mention to me Blackened's great bragging escapades on the server. I've also heard reports on how easy Blackened's search is to shark from. As for blaster, he's one of the worst sharks I've ever seen. I've found links between him and prodigy regarding sharked unusuals so for blaster to say he isn't involved like DIZ was is complete and utter bullshit.

[TRUNK_SLAMCHEST]

Hey guys. So I'm new to these forums but I am not new to unusual trading. I would like to add a little evidence to the whole sharking thing with the conspicuous Blackend.


So ever since I got my first unusual hat I have been on tf2-trader. I have become friends with a lot of the admins on trader when I was there. Recently I started a new unusual server with a custom map and 30 slot server (check it out if you want 216.6.232.148:27015 ) and I was banned from rawr and trader for taking people from there server. NEVER HAPPENED. Anyway thats a different story, I'm really here to report some stuff I got from talking with people who were friends with Blackend b4 all this shit happened.


The first chat is with blaster.

:IMPORTANT PARTS OF CHAT:
T-Virus 2LGT: man, i heard many stories from the inside as well as seen him saying he uses it for sharking my self
Blaster: true fact
Blaster: he didnt sharked that ballcap
Blaster: some one else did
T-Virus 2LGT: yeah i know
T-Virus 2LGT: who did
Blaster: who?
T-Virus 2LGT: i forget, i was talking to him yesterday
T-Virus 2LGT: or two days ago
T-Virus 2LGT: let me check
T-Virus 2LGT: blaster i have had proof of black sharking
T-Virus 2LGT: but im not a little bitch
T-Virus 2LGT: and im still not going to despite how pissed i am
Blaster: well, he may have sharked before, i was unaware of that, but regarding the ballcap, he didnt sharked it, which is why every one turned ther backs and started boycotting his server
Blaster: he is covering some one else
Blaster: not going to name who it is
T-Virus 2LGT: i know who it was man
Blaster: he got fucked by covering that person
Blaster: ya, me too
T-Virus 2LGT: i forget his fucking name ill go through my friends list
Blaster: haha
Blaster: hes online btw
T-Virus 2LGT: who black?
Blaster: the person who im not going to name
T-Virus 2LGT: prodigy


AND


T-Virus 2LGT: no i mean you paid him unusuals because he let you use it to shark
T-Virus 2LGT: since he beginning he intended it to shark
Blaster: oh, nope, no way
T-Virus 2LGT: well i know it happened man
Blaster: when diz got caught he had to give blackened some unusuals
Blaster: diz added me
Blaster: and tried to blackmail me
Blaster: i told him to go fuck himself
Blaster: and didnt gave blacky nothing
Blaster: i know that blackened told diz to tell me to give him some unusuals as a part of his work on the search engine
Blaster: so ya, im not involved in any way with blackie like diz was
T-Virus 2LGT: it wasnt really his work, more than the unusuals diz was getting
Blaster: ya i know, diz is the one who told me taht

:END IMPORTANT MESSAGES:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29qi1eb&s=5 (first pic, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2807535&s=5 (pic two, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2vudkdj&s=5 (pic three, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n00o75&s=5 (pic four, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=li8zl&s=5 (pic five, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2l963w0&s=5 (pic six, blaster pm)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1hx8xu&s=5 (pic seven, blaster pm)

Second chat with anon(good friend who wanted to stay anonymous) DIZ, and I

Important part of the chat confirmed that blackend was hiding prodigy (the original scammer of the burning ballcap)
Prodigy himself told me he scammed the ballcap on his alt account. Unfortunately I did not get that chat because i hadn't thought to save it.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=33cwvm8&s=5 (pic one, DIZ, anon., me)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zdq4pe&s=5 pic two, DIZ, anon., me)


Also I myself have heard Blackend bragging about his unusual search and how there was someone with a High tier Samur-eye with less than 100 hours. In the same time he was telling me how there were 100's (something like that) of people with unusual hats under 100 hours. He kept going on and on about that.

BLASTER STOP TRYING TO THROW DIZ UNDER THE BUS YOU FUCKING SCUMBAG

[serialjoe]

shur we u say crate man, its funny u come out of nowhere with accusations and think people will respond to this, yes there some truth to what u say to an extent. u also forget to mention ur inflating the truth here,

[MikeV]

shur we u say crate man, its funny u come out of nowhere with accusations and think people will respond to this, yes there some truth to what u say to an extent. u also forget to mention ur inflating the truth here,

Out of nowhere? This has been an issue for quite awhile. I think you're pretty ignorant of what's going.