[Butane]

@Womb:
1. Not only the dr but the cnd. I admit, spy is my worst class and the only reason I can play it is the cnd. (a camping spy omfg ragggggggge) Fists of steel, cannot comment as I have yet to try them. And I'm kinda eeh, on the engineer so ill leave that for now. When I lobby, I enjoy it.

@TheDopp:
I have a super scroll wheel mouse to switch weps but I cannot do enough damage before switching to 1 hit kill a heavy as pyro, ever, I die way before I get a second whack. Almost no-one played heavy before the new items and if the did they never used the noobtasha, they made it an alternative instead of a downgrade. A lot of players on public servers are arrogant and indifferent when their team is losing hard who will only play a class that will help their score and not the teams objective, this leads to the class inbalance and not the weps.

[DataStorm]

wut? medic bad for scoring? why am I on top then when I play medic?

any class can get on top, as long as you know how to play it.... sure, as medic it really helps if you know which players know what they are doing.

ofc, I did uber a Boston Basher scout and let him kill a bunch with it. that was lolz.

[Frankster]

This thread needs more wrangler.

Now its almost imposssible for an uber demo to take down a sentry gun, let alone two.

[DataStorm]

lolwut?

Wrangler has a bunch downsides too. and really, it aint hard to take it down. Its the guy behind it making it hard.... but most of times the engy doesn't get an uber to counter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2a8qjAl8y8

[whitefox]

As a pyro player, i do suffer from engineer's guns. Most cases they are out in the open and i can't get them. If I can edge around the corner slightly i can get one. I really, really started hating the game after the demo/soldier update. That was when I completely stopped playing the game, and until recently, never played TF2. I came back around January with a new look to the game. Just don't care about that stuff anymore. I could never take competitive tf2 seriously because of the high amount of bullshit in the game.

[hyden]

Excellent post.

As for the FoS...playing pyro with a flame axe is fun against them...they see the fire, they leave the fists on...by the time they see the axe come out its too late...lol.

Butane - Same here CnD is the only way i can play spy as well. I have never used the DR before and it is annoying to play against for the reasons mentioned.

[WombRaider]

Problems with the FoS are more centered around them completing map objectives and the other team not being able to use guns in what used to be a shooter to stop them from completing said objective from a distance.

Example:

Overtime on koth_nucleus, heavy puts on FoS, runs to point. Enemy team spawns, and shoots rockets, pipes, and headshots the heavy. Heavy survives and takes the point because none of the classes could do any damage at a distance. If a pyro were to try walking to the point to axe him sumthin', he'd just take out his gun, shoot him to death with the minigun (which spins up in less than a second) before the pyro was in range, then swap back to the fists.

Obviously there are flaws with the situation where you could have theoretically taken out the heavy, but I think you get the point.


Also, considering the high probability of melee weapons to crit, the FoS can one hit (195 damage) every class except heavy and soldier with ease.


Even the fucking sandman in its original form isn't as annoying as this junk.


Edit: Suggested strategy for the FoS from the official wiki:


Fists of Steel

The Fists of Steel make you very difficult to kill with ranged weaponry, so take them out when crossing open areas. If an enemy tries to melee you, switch to your Minigun and shred them.

[unknown]

a) i always top as medic, guaranteed
b) if you want to play scout a lot, you pretty much have to play 6v6, or be okay with dying a lot to spam if you're not very smart..

[Sushimitzu]

I agree, but...

[...] please eat a bullet. [...] I encourage you to swallow two fist fulls of magnets 2 hours apart from each other. [...] Valve knew that since girls suck at everything, that they'd most likely suck at aiming, too. [...] I want you to staple about $20,000 worth of $100 bills to your jacket and walk through some of the more lovely towns in the USA like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Detroit. If you can't afford that, call me and I'll gladly donate the money to see this happen. [...]

What is with this pointless hate and sexism? It does not solve anything.

[WombRaider]

u mad