[OmegaZero_Alpha]

Running a virtual machine IS emulation, even though it has minor virtualization features to link the hardware. You generally can't run a game that requires DirectX without emulation, for example, without running a windows shell overhead.

Your examples of casual games would work because they don't exactly need DirectX to work, AND they aren't resource intensive. Any intel mac could run them.

And there is nothing you can do on mac that you can't do on PC. That is shitty propaganda spread at mac rumors to trick idiots into quadrupling their computer budget just to buy the same hardware with an apple logo.

[jwstohr]

Yeah... I have actually been thinking all day on what a mac can do that a pc cannot. I am still stumped.

Honestly the only cool feature of a mac is the magnetic power cord. That shit is awesome.

[glouch]

And there is nothing you can do on mac that you can't do on PC. That is shitty propaganda spread at mac rumors to trick idiots into quadrupling their computer budget just to buy the same hardware with an apple logo.

truuuuuuuuuuth.

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

Yeah... I have actually been thinking all day on what a mac can do that a pc cannot. I am still stumped.

Honestly the only cool feature of a mac is the magnetic power cord. That shit is awesome.

There were a couple cool features.

My friend's stepdad had a macbook pro and it had an accelerometer so it made lightsaber noises when he swung it around.

Coincidentally he suffered critical hard drive failure after about a week.

[jwstohr]

Yeah... I have actually been thinking all day on what a mac can do that a pc cannot. I am still stumped.

Honestly the only cool feature of a mac is the magnetic power cord. That shit is awesome.

There were a couple cool features.

My friend's stepdad had a macbook pro and it had an accelerometer so it made lightsaber noises when he swung it around.

Coincidentally he suffered critical hard drive failure after about a week.

Maybe people should understand how a computer works before being allowed to own one...

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

Maybe people should understand how a computer works before being allowed to own one...

they do it somewhat for cars, and computers are supposed to be a much bigger technological accomplishment than the automobile.

[TheDopp]

Running a virtual machine IS emulation, even though it has minor virtualization features to link the hardware. You generally can't run a game that requires DirectX without emulation, for example, without running a windows shell overhead.

Your examples of casual games would work because they don't exactly need DirectX to work, AND they aren't resource intensive. Any intel mac could run them.

And there is nothing you can do on mac that you can't do on PC. That is shitty propaganda spread at mac rumors to trick idiots into quadrupling their computer budget just to buy the same hardware with an apple logo.

This is really just semantics, but Emulation != Virtualization. I'm running XP with custom drivers that let it sit on a hypervisor that passes hardware calls from the VM directly to the macs hardware. An emulator would translate those calls for the needed hardware (e.g. x86 to PowerPC).

And what Macs can do for me that PC's cant is save time. I've got Unix with an easy to use UI. I don't have to worry about driver conflicts for something as stupid as a mouse or have to modify config files to get something to work. For my parents I don't have to worry about fixing their computer that's been loaded down with trojans and spyware, nor having to be there to install something as basic as a printer.

I'm not going to bother getting into the hardware argument because it always ends the same way - somehow an inferior spec'd machine is better than the mac because its cheaper.

But I'll answer my own question from the start of the thread - Apparently I am the only happy mac user because of the pending Valve announcement.

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

And what Macs can do for me that PC's cant is save time. I've got Unix with an easy to use UI. I don't have to worry about driver conflicts for something as stupid as a mouse or have to modify config files to get something to work. For my parents I don't have to worry about fixing their computer that's been loaded down with trojans and spyware, nor having to be there to install something as basic as a printer.

I'm not going to bother getting into the hardware argument because it always ends the same way - somehow an inferior spec'd machine is better than the mac because its cheaper.

1.Mice and printers are plug and play and use legacy drivers.

2. Even idiots can use Microsoft Security Essentials and with UAC there is virtually (or emually, because you think that they are synonymous) no way to get viruses on anything past vista

I can chock those two up to not using a PC since 1999.

but 3."What inferior spec'd machine"? You can build a top-of-the-line pc for the price of a low-end mac pro on the spot. I really hope I am being trolled on this one and that nobody is as brainwashed as you sound.

Basic low-end mac pro's comes with the following:

One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
3GB 1066MHz DDR3
640GB hard drive 1
18x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB
No display
Basic keyboard and mouse

I can easily build a machine with:

One I7 2.66 Ghz processor
12gb 1600mhz ddr3
2 1tb hard drives
Sony Blu Ray burner
Nvidia GeForce GTX295
Samsung syncmaster 1080p-ready 22" display
Logitech G500 with whatever keyboard you prefer

This is without looking at the fact that Apple uses low-end motherboards (they are officially contracted with Foxconn, which anybody who builds a computer avoids like a plague).

I could also easily build a superior machine, I was honestly just clicking on the most expensive shit.

I built a similar machine to said mac-pro for about 1000$. If you can honestly justify paying 1500$ for the ability to run OSX (which you can do with a Hackintosh system) then be my guest.

and to answer your question: Mac users aren't happy they are deluded.

[TheDopp]

And what Macs can do for me that PC's cant is save time. I've got Unix with an easy to use UI. I don't have to worry about driver conflicts for something as stupid as a mouse or have to modify config files to get something to work. For my parents I don't have to worry about fixing their computer that's been loaded down with trojans and spyware, nor having to be there to install something as basic as a printer.

I'm not going to bother getting into the hardware argument because it always ends the same way - somehow an inferior spec'd machine is better than the mac because its cheaper.

1.Mice and printers are plug and play and use legacy drivers.

2. Even idiots can use Microsoft Security Essentials and with UAC there is virtually (or emually, because you think that they are synonymous) no way to get viruses on anything past vista

I can chock those two up to not using a PC since 1999.

but 3."What inferior spec'd machine"? You can build a top-of-the-line pc for the price of a low-end mac pro on the spot. I really hope I am being trolled on this one and that nobody is as brainwashed as you sound.

...

and to answer your question: Mac users aren't happy they are deluded.

1. Most mice and Most basic (not all) printer functions are, yes, if the drivers are pre-loaded. Dealing with Hardware is just one way that OSX saves me time.

2. So there's no such thing as spyware or malware on Windows anymore? UAC is flawless? Color me surprised.
(And for the record you keep interchanging Virtualization and Emulation. Not to belabor this point but Emulation EMULATES something, Virtualization provides VIRTUAL access to something. Virtual PC emulates x86 hardware [A Pentium 2 if I remember right], VMWare Fusion Virtualizes access for Windows to use the Mac hardware while OSX is running. Cider and CrossOver are WINE based - Wine Is Not an Emulator - it translates Windows API calls, like DirectX, to applicable calls on Linux/OSX environments. Cider/Crossover are not perfect, but they provide less overhead than a Virtual environment provided by Parallels.)

3. Like I said, I'm not getting into this because (as your example showed) you're not doing like-for-like price comparisons and unwittingly choosing the high-end non-home-consumer product to compare against (Mac Pro - which hasn't been hardware refreshed in a couple years). The stereotype of macs being more expensive is as old and tired as macs only having one mouse button and the only game they can play is Photoshop.

Hooray 4 more days till GDC.

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

1. ALL MICE use windows legacy drivers and I have yet to see a non-network printer that didn't.

2. Uac isn't flawless, but neither is whatever Mac is doing. I had 8 operating re-installations on macintosh products from A SINGLE VULNERABILITY in the last few weeks. (they came to me because a virus removal from a MAC GENIUS is hundreds of dollars and I still charge a flat-rate of 65$ for a format-reinstall)

3. "Like I said, I'm not getting into this because (as your example showed) you're not doing like-for-like price comparisons and unwittingly choosing the high-end non-home-consumer product to compare against"

Complete and utter bullshit. These "non-home-consumer" products do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that the macintosh's hardware does AND BETTER. Actually, lets talk about consumer-end. The average "consumer" spends about 500$ on a computer. Lets see what you can get from macintosh on the consumer end:

Oh yeah, nothing. There is no consumer end for macintosh because they are all above 600$

"The stereotype of macs being more expensive" is still completely true. Find me a mac machine and I will prove it to you over and over.

Did you know that they charge 1900$ for 16 gigs of ram? How about 550$ for a 2-terabyte hard-drive? 450$ for three 50$ video cards? 900$ for a 24" monitor?

All sounds reasonable if I jacked off to some pancreatic cancer patient's inane ramblings about how giant MP3 players were going to change the world.

This shit you are telling yourself is hilarious to me, though. Keep spouting recycled cultist bullshit from MacRumors so I can keep this high up.