[yankeejim]

In my opinion, he's right you will have to play nothing but sniper. The other key is your team. For your protection, and to not clutter your target set.

[Asai]

cl_interp

As for my contribution, don't even stay scoped for more than 1-2 seconds.

A bodyshot is a noob "I WIN" button.

Actually i prefer it to be called the "we win" button

[Kou]

Only suggestion I would throw in is the use of 'random' locations when sniping since most people by now have figured out where snipers -will- be standing.

[Hell-met]

cl_interp

As for my contribution, don't even stay scoped for more than 1-2 seconds.

A bodyshot is a noob "I WIN" button.

Actually i prefer it to be called the "we win" button

I strongly disagree.

Snipers kill people. Sure. But the ones who do not move up when killing them are worthless.

Basic TF2 knowledge :

Kill enemy -> Move up to where that enemy was.

Most snipers = Kill enemy -> Wait for them to come back.

And this, is the "I" behavior.

[Zeitgeist]

Asai is, imho, correct

I do not believe, nor expect anyone else to believe, that a snipers roll in a team is to headshot, then book it 500' across the map into the middle of the opposing teams second wave offense.

Snipers are for reducing the opposing teams number, they are rarely rarely rarely in the front lines (and when they are, they usually wish they were not)

[Hell-met]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QkZLJeQ1Nhc

Everyone should have this mentality, considering you have actual teammates to give you cover.

[Half-Duplex]

I will have to agree with Zeit here. A sniper is strongest when he is furthest away from his enemy.

Snipers are not in anyway a close combat class - or they shouldn't be at least. I commend anyone who can fight along the front lines as a sniper.

[Asai]

Only suggestion I would throw in is the use of 'random' locations when sniping since most people by now have figured out where snipers -will- be standing.

Your right i probably could have been more concise but as it is i threw up a WALL of text. That is what i meant by "give them a different look" and sometimes on certain maps there are only a limited number of positions you can snipe from and keep distance to your advantage. Then you have to do different things like manouvre-crouch/shoot-manouvre or wiggle left/right-shoot.


hell-met posted

"I strongly disagree.

Snipers kill people. Sure. But the ones who do not move up when killing them are worthless.

Basic TF2 knowledge :

Kill enemy -> Move up to where that enemy was.

Most snipers = Kill enemy -> Wait for them to come back.

And this, is the "I" behavior."

You have a valid point and something i am working on the ability to snipe from the cart while it is on the move, that is by far IMHO a most difficult challange. To rebut; The major advantage a sniper has is the ability to kill from long range (longer than any other class in the game with a fairly reliable degree of certainty) and to sacrifice that advantage puts the sniper at the disadvantage. I do feel in that situation as a sniper my job is to keep the enemy's heads down, provide a target for them to shoot at or worry about,and provide an umbrella of withering fire that my shorter ranged compatriots can advance under until they get close enough to be effective. Once they have secured an area up front then hopefully they will wait for me to advance, then rinse and repeat. The job is "long range accurate death, ONE bullet at a time". There is NO spam with a sniper.

I am delighted at the responses my post has had, and thank all responders.

Asai

[Half-Duplex]

Asai, what is your definition of spam, just curious?

[Zeitgeist]

Asai, what is your definition of spam, just curious?

perhaps he means what you in i did tonight after HKA's "you shouldn't critz a demo" discussion