Since you asked for the whole convo to be posted I shall without edited it. I would like it to be know that it is an admin who requested the full unedited convo.
Kovu: btw Skunk is mostly harmless. He just likes to cuss a lot
You Are The One: gagged for language
Kovu: .....
You Are The One: i dont think he knows hes gagged
Kovu: I've never been gagged for my language
Kovu: hell had a fight with two people that spanded 3 maps over me cussing
You Are The One: if you talked like him, would gag you aswel
Kovu: .....
Kovu: having a bad day?
You Are The One: not reallly
Kovu: just trying to figure out why you gag someone just for cussing when cussing is not against the server rules
Kovu: and this is a rated "M" games so everyone playing should be adults
You Are The One: being a jerk is against the rules,
Kovu: he wasn't being a jerk
You Are The One: when someone starts saying, fucking faggot noobs, ect... its not being nice,
Kovu: I was the pryo he was talking to
Kovu: yea..... because he is the first person to do that ever...
Kovu: I deal with people on here every day giving me shit for being a female and they hardly ever get vote kicked or gaged because everyone finds it funny
You Are The One: I dont like ppl talking in that demeanor for the fun of it, saying "fucker" one or so at someone is not going to be an issue, but saying that type of stuff for a solid minute deff falls under being a jerk
Kovu: it wasn't a soild minute
You Are The One: anyhow, its not a huge deal, it will go away next map
You Are The One: it was, you just didnt hear the 2nd half
Kovu: he left now
You Are The One: hopefully he wont gag avoid
Kovu: he was fuckign talking to me and he is one of the few people that play TF2 with me that don't give me shit just for having tits
Kovu: no
Kovu: I'm likely to have to wait another fucking month to get him back onto tf2
You Are The One: I dont know who he was talking to, nore is that realivant for what he said.
Kovu: no one was complaining about what he was saying
Kovu: so I don't see why you ated before action was called for
Kovu: *acted
You Are The One: imo action was called for no and i will leave it at that
Kovu: dude... seriuolsy?
Kovu: I had two guys follow me for three maps trying to votekick me the whole time, told you about it, had you join the server and then you did shit.
Kovu: I watched them both just leave.
You Are The One: if i dont see anything i cant do anyhting
You Are The One: thats all
Kovu: ......
You Are The One: ill let you get back to your game,
You Are The One: ttyl
Kovu: you are a shitty admin/mod dude. all I got to say. You are not very fair at all
You Are The One: sorry you think so
Kovu: well if you treated everyone the same and didn't jump on people that no one is having a problem with I wouldn't thnk so
You Are The One: that type of uncalled for language is not allowed, I dont care who says it, thats pretty much it, its irrelivant if the users complain if its against the rules
Kovu: dude.... you have been on the server when I have gone off on someone like that and done nothing to me
You Are The One: if you said the same thing he did, you would have been gagged, I think i already mentioned that
Kovu: but you did gag then. You kicked the person that had pissed me off because other people had gotten pissed to.
Kovu: *you didn't gag me then
You Are The One: if someone is a disruption they get kicked
Kovu: he wasn't a disruption
You Are The One: i didnt kick him
You Are The One: only gag
Kovu: ....
Kovu: got so people can't play a game over vc during ph
You Are The One: not if they go on a profanity and derogetory laced rant
Kovu: yea.... because he is the first person to do that ever on that server...
You Are The One: I cant gag everyone 24/7
You Are The One: sorry :/
Kovu: You Are The One: you like cookies?
Kovu: the main problem is when you are on the server it's fucking rule Nazi, but when you re gone, which is most of the time, we have to find for ourselves.
You Are The One: like i said, i cant be on all the time.
Kovu: And most of the time harmless people like SKunk are just laughed at or asked to stop because we know they are either acting like an idiot or doing it for the attention.
Kovu: you guys need more then on mod on the damn server
You Are The One: if it gets to the point they are asked to stop
Kovu: or to explain the rules better
You Are The One: thats a server disruption
You Are The One: kick/bannable
Kovu: you didn't ask him to stop
Kovu: you went straight to gagging him
Kovu: no warning, nothing
You Are The One: warnings are not required
You Are The One: esp if its a profanity, derogatory rant
Kovu: and to be blunt the "don't be a jerk rule" is way to open.
You Are The One: I didnt make the rules, I think you know that
Kovu: because everyone has a differnat veiw on what a jerk is
Kovu: no I don't
Kovu: I figured since you are a adin you helped make them
You Are The One: not really
Kovu: as i helped make the rule son the ste I mod
Kovu: *rules on
You Are The One: head server admin is ibby
You Are The One: he makes/approves/changes rules
Kovu: my advice.
Kovu: try giving people at least one warning before you gag/kick/ban them.
Kovu: makes people hate you less
Kovu: and gives them a chance to learn what they did wrong
Kovu: and when people learn.... then tend not to break the rules so much
You Are The One: for ppl who deserve a warning I have no issue with that
Kovu: right....
Kovu: so you get to decide who is worthy of a warning?
Kovu: was it too harm for you to type out "Hey Skunk can you watch you language a bit?"
You Are The One: if they reasonably should know, i dont give warnings.
Kovu: *too hard
Kovu: which is why a lot of people on the ph server say you are an asshole
You Are The One: and I still love all of them...
Kovu: funny way of showing it
You Are The One: they know the rules, just choose not to follow
Kovu: a lot of people on thre do not know them
You Are The One: and yes, im very very well known on steam as an asshole,
You Are The One: i dont care much tho what they think
Kovu: I can tell
You Are The One: guess thats part of the issue they have
You Are The One: with me
Kovu: Dude, I'm a mod for a site and chat room, I know how hard shit can be, but just telling someone stop before you ban/kick/whatever them helps cut down on everything. Because then they ask why and everyone learns
Kovu: by the way The problem is that being a mod on a server in which you act like an asshole towards everyone and everyone thinks you're an asshole makes them not want to go to that server.
You Are The One: I think ppl need to learn the hard way, im not one for holding peoples hands, not saying I never have extended my soft hand out iff needed, but for the most part, its unneeded if you follow basic common sense, his rant (and according to him I have warned/kicked him before apparently) fell outside of soft hands, esp if he has had a similer run in with me in the past, probably over the same thing and sitll has not learned his lesson, im not defending myself or my actions anymore other then in my view they were more then just, i can tell you disagree with me and wish I gave warnings more and ill take that into account, but beyond that, in this case, it would not have made any differance as a warning was not needed.
Kovu: the last time you banned hm for 24 hours without warning because you came onto the server while we were playing a game over vc
You Are The One: I preferr not to fight with you over it so we will have to agree to disagree over this specific incidnet
Kovu: he was signing songs while he hid as a prop and stopped when he was killed. everyone on there was not complaining and was having fun with it even giving him songs to sing
Kovu: you came onto the server and banned him without warning
You Are The One: so micspamming?
Kovu: you are most likely going to call it that even though everyone on the server was playing and having fun with it. then again I've had someon tell me that talking for over a minute is mic spam not matter what it is
Kovu: as the rules do not state how long something is mic spam nor anyhting else about mic spam
[4:19:03 PM] Kovu: You Are The One: users do not dictate the rules, so ya, its stil against the rules even if everyone on the server does not mind
Kovu: and what do you say is exactly micspamming?
You Are The One: includes but not limited to, using a mic for the sake of being heard
Kovu: and in that case if you would of told him to stop he most likely would of, but you didn't you just kicked him without saying a god damned thing.
Kovu: he was using it for a game no or the sake of being heard
Kovu: truth be told everyone that uses the mic is using it for the sake of being heard
Kovu: I'm goign to have to remember this next tie someone talks on the mic
You Are The One: I think you are stretching the rules farther then was intended using that argument
Kovu: no
Kovu: the reason one speak on vc is to be heard
Kovu: you speak on vc for the sake of being heard
Kovu: otherwise you would just type what you want to say
Kovu: that's simple logic
Kovu: I know i speak on vc so that i am heard and do not have to type
You Are The One: talking or having a conversation does not fall under that, im more specifically saying using the mic w/o a reason such as speaking to others for the sake of being herad,
Kovu: it's the same with most people on that server, hell most people that use vc
You Are The One: not sure why you are taking this to the extream
Kovu: because the rule is too open
Kovu: and he was at the time singing to others.
You Are The One: singins is micspamming
Kovu: in fact you banned him just as he fisted a song to someone
Kovu: what about when people try to play trivia games on vc?
Kovu: or what about sound clips?
Kovu: those are not speaking?
You Are The One: sound clips are micspam, server auto mutes after 5 sec
Kovu: awesome then you want to bann electric ferret because she uses clips
Kovu: even though everyone enjys them
You Are The One: i have warned him/her
Kovu: it's a her
You Are The One: I have warned him/her not to use it more then once a round
Kovu: she uses it because her mic if mesed up so she uses the cips to answer question and such
You Are The One: that is not an excuse to constantly spam soundclips, but my point is he/she has been warned about overusing them
You Are The One: i dont mind once a round or so
You Are The One: (they are indeed funny)
Kovu: By the way message for you from Skunk "Also tell him he has never warned me, he kicked me out of nowhere for no reason"
Kovu: you have never given him warnings as I said
Kovu: an trust me if you warn him, he tends to stop doing what ever he wa warned about
You Are The One: well now he knows not to do any of that on the ph server
Kovu: I know I'm a mod on a chat he is in
Kovu: ONLY BECUASE I TOLD HIM YOU ACTED
Kovu: He had no idea you did any of it untill I told him
Kovu: Also from Skunk, "Also tell him that Dr Acula who has been using the server probably longer than he has been a mod does nothing but mic spam while on the server, many of his clips are extremely offensive and racist, and he's never been gagged and he's simply chosing favorites"
Kovu: and how oes one get a hold of the head admin?
You Are The One: lol choosing favorites, was waiting for that one tbh,
You Are The One: you can make a thread on sourceop
You Are The One:
http://forums.sourceop.com/forums/25-Problems-Help
Kovu: well you have been on the server while Acula spamed "Dead nigger" over and over again and did nothing
You Are The One: i dont recall
Kovu: You Are The One: because i would have perm banned him
Kovu: You Are The One: so unlikely i was no
You Are The One: on*
Kovu:[4:39:08 PM] Kovu: if he would of warned you to watch your language a bit, would you have?
[4:39:47 PM] Skunkrocker: Absolutely. I do not disobey admins when asked. When he said to stop I did. Unfortunatly, when he said to stop was also when I was gagged.
[4:39:58 PM] Skunkrocker: So it's not like anyone on the server would have KNOWN I stopped.
You Are The One: so he was warned, so much for not giving warnings.
Kovu: you warned him AFTER THE FACT
Kovu: that is not a warning
Kovu: you gaged him then told him to stop
Kovu: it normally goes the other way
You Are The One: I probalby told him to stop first tbh,
Kovu: at least that's how good mad o it
You Are The One: seems silly to tell someone to stop after they cant talk
Kovu: funny
Kovu: he stopped talking then you text in chat showed up on my screen
[4:46:31 PM] Kovu: You Are The One: I cant recall specifics form weeks ago or however long ago his original micspam thing was
Kovu: this was today
Kovu: he is talking about today
You Are The One: correct, today, I did not give him a warning
Kovu: that is what he was talking about
Kovu: you did not gag hi weeks ago you banned him for 24hrs without warning.
Kovu: but
Kovu: the point is
Kovu: IF you had said something to him TODAY he would of stopped, but you just fucking gagged him and never warned him
You Are The One: since you relayed the info to him now, he should have no worries about following the server rules and staying clear of me, hang on, you can also link him the rules thread.
You Are The One:
http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/11476...s-and-FAQs
You Are The One: feel free to share it with him
Kovu: I remember last week "Fun Police" and Darkness fighting over vc and you gave both of them arnings before gagging them....
[4:50:47 PM] Kovu: You Are The One: they were talking to eachother yes
Kovu: he is likely to stay clear of you because I doupt I cna get him to go back onto that ph server. which sucks because he is the one that got me into playing it.
Kovu: how come they got warnings and he did not? When SKunk said he was talkign to the pyros he seen and I was the first pyro that walked up to where he was? meaning he was talking to me.... unless that logic makes no sense ...........
Kovu: somehow
You Are The One: his swear filled and derogatory rant was aimed at all the people in the server, not 2 users having a dispute that was diffused
Kovu: he said he was going to be talking to the pyros that walked by him since he could not sing
You Are The One: he went on a rant "fucking faggot noobs bla bla bla, fuck kill you faggot noobs.." ect.. that is not talking to pyros who walk by, although I do recall somewhere in there him saying that aswell.
Kovu: i don't know I could hear what he said after fucking noob because some gaged him
You Are The One: well at least an admin was on to hear it and deal with it, so you dont have to listen to such foul things.
You Are The One: (that was a joke)
Kovu: sarcsm is not wanted or needed right now
Kovu: [5:01:27 PM] Skunkrocker: Yeah, the only Pyro I could see was you
[5:01:31 PM] Skunkrocker: Which was kind of the joke
Kovu: when I asked him about the insulting pyros thing
You Are The One: when he went on his rant, he did not specifically say anything to address a single person, infact it sounded a lot like the oppisit addressing anyone(everyone) its ok if he gets over excited, he just needs to better control what he says that to others may be offensive.
Kovu: hey butane.... Have you ever stated that if you ever became an admin you would abuse your admin powers?
You Are The One: gagging someone for a swear filled and derogatory rant is far form admin abuse
You Are The One: but i know your upset, hes your friend afterall
Kovu: no I found a quote by you saying "I don't think I have any server admin, would totally admin abuse, Ill be the first to admit to that.
(seriously tho, they are more qualified server regulars who would do better then me as im not on tf2 as much as I use to be and I may not be the best suited as stated above)"
Kovu: and then there is "I'm going soft these days, talking about admin abuse and not even a notable mention of me.
(turns off computer)"
Kovu: if you did not admin abuse why make said statments
You Are The One: on the fourms yes
You Are The One: its not admin abouse, im just very strict on rules,
You Are The One: and ppl always say admin abouse
Kovu: Nazi comes to mind
You Are The One: i never would use that word
Kovu: of course you wouldn't
You Are The One: sop forums are mostly for trading, maybe you dont get that
You Are The One: a lot of ppl bitch
You Are The One: and i mean a lot
Kovu: I am aware
You Are The One: no
You Are The One: unlikely
You Are The One: so much buying and selling
You Are The One: real world money
You Are The One: im extreamly strict on rules
You Are The One: very very strict
Kovu: I'm trying to talk with you about a problem and I heard other people on the server complain about your actions before
You Are The One: they can complain all they want for me enforcing rules
Kovu: You Are The One: i even linked you the section where to post
Kovu: I know
Kovu: and a post has ben made
You Are The One: the admin abuse comments are specifically sop forums related
You Are The One: and its only because im sooo strict for enfording rules
Kovu: not the ones over vc I have heard while playing ph
You Are The One: well sop forums is not ph
You Are The One: is it
Kovu: I have been talking about ph
You Are The One: then not sure why you would bring up the sop forums comemnt
You Are The One: 4:06 PM - Kovu: and then there is "I'm going soft these days, talking about admin abuse and not even a notable mention of me.
(turns off computer)"
You Are The One: strictly forums related,
Kovu: because you have been called out on admin abuse on more then just that site
You Are The One: no
Kovu: yes
You Are The One: i have not
You Are The One: link?
Kovu: people bitch all the time about you on ph
You Are The One: ph
You Are The One: is not sop forums
Kovu: hell I've been told aobut a stream group soemone made about trying to get you removed form the ph server
You Are The One: never heard of such a thing
Kovu: you can still admin abuse on ph dude
Kovu: right
You Are The One: I dont admin abuse at all
Kovu: I was told you got invited to the group an flipped out
Kovu: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
You Are The One: being strict on the fourms by enforcing the rules is not admin abous
Kovu: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STUPID FUCKING FORUMS
You Are The One: you are talking it litteraly and not knowing that its a joke
You Are The One: then dont bring up fourms related admin abuse comments
Kovu: out of both of us here, I think it is you that needs to now what a joke is
Kovu: because you tend to gag people for trying to make them
You Are The One: his rant gag was more then justified
Kovu: not really
You Are The One: have him make a therad explaining his language/rant and see what anyother admins say
Kovu: if you would of said stop he would of dude
Kovu: did you fuking think of that
You Are The One: maybe he should not have ranted in the first place
You Are The One: maybe..
You Are The One: anyhow, ima go play some dota now, ill leave the chat open and read it later, tl:dr gag was still justified imo,
Kovu: you know you are the one reason that I have no beable to fucking play tf2 with a really good friend of mine. Hell, I have defended you to him in the past, but todyayou fucking took action without telling him to stop or why. you got lazy and left it to someone else to do your job
Kovu: your job as an admin is to make sure users know the rules
Kovu: not hope they tell each other
Yes, I swear, yes I was mad still am pissed about this. THe fact remains that no warning was given after it was stated over vc that he was going joke around with the Pyros and I was the first one he seen. As I am unable to save audio from VC chats I am unable to prove times when Butane has been on the server, under one name or another, when someone has gone on a rant on VC calling me every insult and curse would you can think of for a female, and he warned them to stop before gag/kick/ban.
Yes, Skunk is an outspoken person but when a mod or admin asks him to cool it he does. as a mod on another site he is a member of I can say I have seen this in action. Including in chats.