Jul 20, 2012, 08:05 PM
Hey guys. I just thought I'd share this trade I had with all of you because I found it extremely funny. I was laughing throughout the entire trade. But I was still determined to finish it - even though it didn't end successfully and I got fed up after an hour. So if you've got some time to kill, please enjoy this post!
Disclaimer:
I'm sorry if you find it offensive in any way, shape or form. I'm just going to point out first off that I'm not religious at all, so if you are, you probably don't want to read this. Especially if you get offended by rude language or anything that offends your religion. If any of the things I just mentioned bother you, please don't read this. -To moderators: If you think this thread is pointless, or too offensive, please remove it. I read the rules of the forums, and I'm not sure how bad this is.-
The story: During my time playing on this server, I found a guy that had an unusual Detective Noir with sunbeams. After doing some more research, I learned that this particular guy didn't know a whole lot about trading, or the value of hats. I decided to trade him, knowing that if I completed the trade, I could benefit greatly, so I offered him some crappy items for it to see just how smart he was.
The chat:
-This entire conversation on my part is complete bullshit. I was just trying to convince him to trade me.-
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ORANGE GARBAGE: Hey! 16:22:26
darkman1a: sup, u got a hat of undeniable wealth and respect? 16:22:40
ORANGE GARBAGE: So, I was wondering, If I add to my unusual which is worth the undeniable hat of wealth and respect, would you take it? 16:23:01
ORANGE GARBAGE: I have more hats and everything 16:23:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: So you get a better unusual and hats to go with it 16:23:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: To get the hat or undeniable wealth and respect 16:23:27
darkman1a: no cuz i dont play medic, i only play spy 16:23:45
ORANGE GARBAGE: You said every class was your favorite. And if that's the case, I have plenty of spy things 16:24:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: Like the assassin's suite 16:24:12
ORANGE GARBAGE: Which I bet you don't have 16:24:18
darkman1a: Ive got EVERYTHING! 16:24:31
darkman1a: everything i need 16:24:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: Sure, let's just see if you have these.. 16:24:45
You added ''TF2 Assassin's Hidden Blade'' 16:24:59
You added ''Tf2 Assassin's Hood'' 16:25:02
darkman1a: i bet u dont have this! 16:25:04
darkman1a added The Concheror 16:25:08
ORANGE GARBAGE: I do 16:25:13
You added The Concheror 16:25:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: And I have this 16:25:27
darkman1a removed The Concheror 16:25:35
You added ''UNUSUAL DR. GOGGLESTACHE'' 16:25:43
darkman1a: bet u dont have this! 16:25:46
ORANGE GARBAGE: How about all this for it? 16:25:49
darkman1a added Rogue's Col Roule 16:25:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, I have had that. But I don't like it 16:26:03
ORANGE GARBAGE: :l 16:26:05
darkman1a removed Rogue's Col Roule 16:26:14
darkman1a added The Idea Tube 16:26:15
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I'll give you all of this for your detective noir 16:26:22
darkman1a: oh yeah, well what about this! 16:26:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: I don't have that and still don't like it. Lol 16:26:36
ORANGE GARBAGE: I only have things that I like, and other people like 16:26:47
darkman1a added Stout Shako 16:27:01
darkman1a removed The Idea Tube 16:27:03
darkman1a: bet u dont have that 16:27:10
ORANGE GARBAGE: So what do you say, all of this for your unusual Detective Noir? 16:27:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: Your missing my point now 16:27:28
darkman1a: You know thats not bad stuff you have there. I dont have 3 of those things 16:27:47
ORANGE GARBAGE: And they'll all worth more than your unusual 16:28:09
darkman1a: but, at least 2 of them look like they were part of a promotional bit for buying theif 16:28:10
ORANGE GARBAGE: No, it's for Assassin's creed 16:28:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: And they're extremely valueable promos because nobody bought it during that time 16:28:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I will give them to you for your unusual 16:29:00
darkman1a: I dunno, its not a bad offer youve made, but l'm not really interested in getting rid of my spy hat regardless of how rare other items you have 16:29:12
darkman1a removed Stout Shako 16:29:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: Do you need anything else to seal the deal? 16:29:34
ORANGE GARBAGE: I've got more 16:29:39
darkman1a: no, even if you offered your entire inventory i dont think i would be interested 16:30:00
darkman1a added The Mask of the Shaman 16:30:13
darkman1a: bet u dont have that! 16:30:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, I'm offering more than what it's worth now. I think it would be best if you took my offer where it's at. I'm even offering to add more 16:30:36
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's called haggling. You've gotta know when to jump on a deal 16:31:03
darkman1a: like i said, you could have ALL Items valve has EVER MADE, and i wouldnt be interested 16:31:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: Then I think your judgement is awful. 16:31:51
darkman1a: Its negotiating or haggeling when both parties want to make a trade. 16:31:53
darkman1a removed The Mask of the Shaman 16:32:05
ORANGE GARBAGE: No, it's negotiating or haggling when someone offers in a trade 16:32:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: Whether they accept or not isn't apart of it. 16:32:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I've been trading since trading came out, and I know how much items go for, and how valued they are. And I'm telling you it would be stupid if you don't accept my offer 16:33:13
darkman1a: the purpose of haggeling is when two parties want to make a deal. The first guy starts high, the sencond starts low, then they work to a point where they are both satisfied. 16:33:32
darkman1a: I'm just not interested in selling it 16:33:58
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, I'm trying to get to the point where you're satisfied, so help me out. 16:33:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: Why not? 16:34:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: Give me one good reason 16:34:09
darkman1a: I havent built up my inventory by "trading" for items. Ive built it up over time by things that have naturaly come my way 16:34:46
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm giving you items you don't have, and they're extremely valueable 16:34:47
darkman1a: So in that sence the hat found me 16:35:00
darkman1a: I cant argue with the will of the hat 16:35:17
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, these items can expand your inventory to greater hights 16:35:22
ORANGE GARBAGE: If that's truley what you're concerned about 16:35:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: There's no such thing as "the will of the hat" 16:35:50
darkman1a: There is SOOO the will of the hat! the Random Drop system picked me for that Item! It chose me. therefore i cannot argue with the will of Valve 16:36:35
ORANGE GARBAGE: And if there is such a thing as the will of the hat, let these be your new hats. Let them be hats calling for you. 16:36:55
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's there will that they're traded to you 16:37:03
darkman1a: It could have given me a worthless crate. It could have given me an item ive already had, but it dint it gave me the spy hat 16:37:11
ORANGE GARBAGE: But what if the hat chooses me? From your inventory? And these hats are choosing you? 16:37:54
darkman1a: There is only one maybee two times a year that the random drop system will give you a hat. Its even rarer that that drop will be unusual 16:38:18
darkman1a: So if you are dropped a hat, you hold on to it 16:38:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: If that's true, then why is there even such thing as trading? 16:38:49
darkman1a: I cannot take you trading me those hats as the will of the random drop system. Because you are now interfereing with that system by trading. 16:39:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: There's no interference if the system was made 16:39:44
ORANGE GARBAGE: It was made along side it 16:39:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: To support the will of the hat 16:39:55
darkman1a: The trading system is there so that you can get rid of extra stuff you have that others dont have yet. 16:39:57
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, I have stuff that you don't have and want, and you have sometyhing that I don't have and want 16:40:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: So let's trade 16:40:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: I don't see your point 16:40:40
darkman1a: well my point is the hat is not extra that i dont want. 16:41:07
darkman1a: i only have 1 of it 16:41:12
ORANGE GARBAGE: Same here 16:41:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: I only have one of mine 16:41:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: And one of these items 16:41:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: I love all of them 16:41:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I'm willing to give them up for something I'd like to have 16:41:39
ORANGE GARBAGE: I know these are items that you'd like to have because you don't already have them 16:41:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: Why don't we switch items and see how you likem them? Or see if they fit you better? 16:42:19
darkman1a: I dunno, Valve has entrusted to me the safe keeping of this here spy hat. If i were to give it to you, it would be like moses giving pharoh his majic staff 16:42:45
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, valve has done the same to me 16:43:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I'm willing to give a little to let it go 16:43:26
darkman1a: It would be like Moses handing over the 10 commandments to the egyptians for 10 pieces of silver 16:43:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can be like moses, and I'll be the pharoh 16:43:48
ORANGE GARBAGE: This is a video game though 16:44:22
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's different 16:44:27
darkman1a: Moses wouldnt sell out the 10 commandments to the egyptians for 10 pieces of silver 16:44:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: Even through the concept is similart 16:44:36
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes, but this is a video game, and they made trading so that people like us could trade 16:45:03
ORANGE GARBAGE: And if you're given the right by valve to trade, then why do you think valve wants you to keep the item? 16:45:20
darkman1a: lo it is my sacred duty to use and protect this Unusual detective Noir 16:45:21
darkman1a: just cuz valve put in trading doesnt mean your supposed to trade everything that you find for something else 16:46:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's not everything you find, it's just one thing 16:46:29
ORANGE GARBAGE: If I can give up four things to you, you could at least give me one thing 16:46:41
darkman1a: If you want a spy hat you can either buy one directly of your choosing or craft it 16:46:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I want your specific one 16:46:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: When I came to that server, I knew I had to talk to you for it 16:47:08
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why I want it in the first place 16:47:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: So I'm trying to give you the best offer I can 16:47:24
darkman1a: well you can put in a class item to make sure the hat u craft is a spy hat 16:47:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: But It's not the same as yours 16:47:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yours is special 16:47:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: Like my items are special 16:47:54
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why I want to trade you in return 16:48:05
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm giving you gifts, for your one gift 16:48:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: And if what you're saying is true about the spy hats, then why don't you do that? 16:48:30
ORANGE GARBAGE: And get these items as well 16:48:36
darkman1a: Its not about you trading 4 or 5 things for my just one thing 16:48:51
ORANGE GARBAGE: Then what is it about? 16:49:14
darkman1a: making it 11 or 12 pieces of silver doesnt make trading away the 10 commandments any "righter" 16:49:17
ORANGE GARBAGE: There is no right or wrong to trading in a video game 16:49:48
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why Istill don't understand why you don't trade me 16:50:04
darkman1a: As in life we must all accept what we have. There fore i suggest you make peace with what the random drop system has given unto you 16:50:18
darkman1a: and be satisfied with what u have 16:50:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: But what if I want to spread my same joy that valve has given me with you? 16:50:48
darkman1a: otherwise you will always go thru life not satisfied with what u have 16:50:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: I have been satisfied with these items 16:51:03
ORANGE GARBAGE: Time and time again 16:51:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: But there's always a time to know when to let go 16:51:18
darkman1a: I am content. I do not need your joy. for unto me it would serve as a poison causing disscontent 16:51:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: And make way for bigger and better things 16:51:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: But you said they were items you didn't have, and you really wanted 16:51:47
ORANGE GARBAGE: There is no discontent to joy 16:51:58
darkman1a: I never said i wanted them. I merely said i didnt have them and they were nice looking items 16:52:14
ORANGE GARBAGE: That kind of implies that you'd like them 16:52:40
darkman1a: they are nice looking items, but i do not need them to be happy 16:53:09
ORANGE GARBAGE: Even if you don't like them, wouldn't you want to feel the joy of making others happy? 16:53:14
ORANGE GARBAGE: Isn't that what life's about? 16:53:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: And if not, isn't that a huge part of life? 16:53:35
darkman1a: Therefore let you keep your item, and if you believe they are a way to bigger and better things, let you trade them for bigger and better things and be happy 16:54:11
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I won't be happy without your item specifically. I haven't found anyone else with that exact one. 16:54:44
darkman1a: but as i say bigger and better things are not what happiness makes 16:54:48
ORANGE GARBAGE: It doesn't even matter to me if it is bigger and better, I just want to be happy. And having your unusual would make me very happy 16:55:27
darkman1a: I think you would be only fooling yourself into thinking that you would be happy if you had my item. For once you had it, you woud only need more 16:55:40
ORANGE GARBAGE: Why would I need more after having an item like yours? 16:56:01
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's the one thing I've wanted for a long time 16:56:09
ORANGE GARBAGE: You're the first person I've seen with it, and I would be honored if you'd give me it 16:56:29
darkman1a: because the emptiness that drives you to want my item would only remain once you had it 16:56:31
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm lucky to have found you in the first place 16:56:42
darkman1a: Plenty of people must have a detective noir 16:56:54
ORANGE GARBAGE: Not like yours 16:57:05
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yours is unusual 16:57:08
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's what makes it special to me 16:57:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: And it's for spy 16:57:23
ORANGE GARBAGE: Which is my favorite class 16:57:28
darkman1a: even if it wasnt an unusual, it still has the same look, so i would just be contet at that 16:57:31
darkman1a: and if your into the glowy effects, you could just add those 16:57:55
ORANGE GARBAGE: I wouldn't. There's some sort of value that I find in it that most others don't 16:58:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm not after just any noir, I'm after yours 16:58:30
ORANGE GARBAGE: No other noir could possibly make me feel as good as having that one would 16:59:00
ORANGE GARBAGE: I can't just simply craft another 16:59:06
darkman1a: As in the Movie Lord of the Rings, Frodo dint give Sauron the one ring because he wanted it. No he did what was right and protected it. and that is what i must do. Protect this Detective Noir 16:59:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: But this isn't lord of the rings, this is Team Fortress 2. 17:00:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: This isn't the same senario 17:00:33
darkman1a: yes, this is Team Fortress 2, but the battle against evil continues on everywhere around the world 24/7 17:01:02
ORANGE GARBAGE: Are you calling me evil? 17:01:13
darkman1a: If i were to give u this hat, i would be selling out the providence that has bestowed it upon me 17:01:48
ORANGE GARBAGE: And what's that? 17:02:02
ORANGE GARBAGE: Just to hold onto it and never give it away, and never use it? 17:02:17
darkman1a: and yes, i find your neverending unsatiable lust for this hat evil 17:02:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: You're basically letting it rot in it's place 17:02:26
ORANGE GARBAGE: If you give it to someone like me, it would be for the better because of the benefits it would cause 17:02:46
darkman1a: did you ever see Indiana Jones and the last Crusade where the nazi drinks from the chalise? only it wasnt the right one and he disintegrates? 17:04:00
ORANGE GARBAGE: And isn't being selfish evil? I think that you're being selfish in not giving the hat to me for silly reasons 17:04:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: Keeping your goods to yourself 17:04:30
darkman1a: protecting the chalise from the nazis isnt being selfish 17:04:48
darkman1a: giving the chalise to the nazis would be evil 17:05:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well you're not Indiana jones, and we're not protecting chalise 17:05:16
darkman1a: yes, yes this is exactly like that. 17:05:38
darkman1a: I am the knight sworn to protect the chalise, and i must keep it safe from the nazis 17:05:56
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's not even close to the same thing 17:05:58
ORANGE GARBAGE: This is Team Fortress 2 17:06:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: Not a movie 17:06:11
ORANGE GARBAGE: Nor does it have to do with knights and nazis 17:06:22
darkman1a: well then i cant give it to you because i'm Frodo and your Sauron 17:06:44
ORANGE GARBAGE: This isn't Lord of the Rings either 17:07:02
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's a movie too 17:07:07
darkman1a: well then i'm like moses and i cant give u the 10 commandments 17:08:05
darkman1a: And thats not a movie, thats REAL! 17:08:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: But it's not a video game 17:08:30
ORANGE GARBAGE: This is a video game 17:08:42
ORANGE GARBAGE: Video games aren't real 17:08:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: So don't compare events and movies to video games 17:09:13
darkman1a: the game isnt real, but the events that happen inside it ARE 17:09:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: In who's history book? 17:09:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: In who's bible? 17:09:46
darkman1a: if my soldier moves foreward in the game its because I Really pressed the fwd key 17:10:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes... and that's in a video game 17:10:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: You playing a video game isn't an event in history 17:10:58
darkman1a: and if my soldier prevails by getting the intel, its because my keystrokes Really happened and Opposed the Real keystrokes of the other team 17:11:32
darkman1a: are you saying events in the bible dint take place? 17:11:56
ORANGE GARBAGE: So... what you're saying is, you're playing Team Fortress 2..? 17:12:02
darkman1a: yes i am Really sitting at my desk playing TF2 17:12:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: Then what does that have to do with our trade? 17:12:45
ORANGE GARBAGE: You're getting away from the point of this conversation entirely 17:13:00
darkman1a: no cuz you said TF2 wasnt real 17:13:14
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's not technically real. It's in a madeup world 17:13:30
darkman1a: i think u may also have implied that events in the bible arent real also 17:13:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: How? 17:13:49
darkman1a: " In who's history book? 19:09:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: In who's bible?" 17:14:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm talking about places were normal history events are stored. 17:14:52
ORANGE GARBAGE: I said that you playing tf2 isn't stored in either of those 17:15:05
ORANGE GARBAGE: How does that imply that I said the bible isn't real? 17:15:35
darkman1a: I said you might have impied that you didnt think the events in it were real with your statement of "whose history book" implying that things do or dont happen based on the author of the book 17:17:54
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, someone had to write the book 17:18:09
ORANGE GARBAGE: And writers of books are called authors 17:18:19
darkman1a: yes but your also implying that events in TF2 dont happen because nobody is there to write about them 17:18:45
ORANGE GARBAGE: So? 17:18:54
darkman1a: so back to the statement where you said that TF2 isnt real 17:19:13
darkman1a: because it isnt recorded in a history book 17:19:30
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's a virtual game 17:19:39
darkman1a: i would have to differ because it is recorded 17:19:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: The virtual world isn't real 17:19:47
ORANGE GARBAGE: In what way is it recorded? 17:19:52
darkman1a: 1 its recorded by the "replay" feature 17:19:55
darkman1a: 2 its recorded in your brain as to the events that took place while you were playing it 17:20:16
darkman1a: do you not remember if you won or lost a game? 17:20:35
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes, but nobody else but you will remember them 17:20:40
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's the point 17:20:47
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's not history if nobody's heard of it 17:20:54
darkman1a: everybody on my team, everybody on the opposing team will know the events of that game 17:21:01
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's the small percentage of the world 17:21:21
darkman1a: IT is History if it happens, not if nobodys heard of it 17:21:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: Even if it is, it won't matter to anyone but you and your team. 17:21:45
darkman1a: Up until 200 years ago nobody had heard of the lost city in manchu Pichu 17:21:47
darkman1a: But it happened, it was there 17:21:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: And that was marked as history 17:22:01
ORANGE GARBAGE: This is a video game 17:22:04
darkman1a: The point of how important something is is not neccessarily determined by how many people know about it 17:23:00
ORANGE GARBAGE: Listen, can we just get back to the point of this entire conversation?
17:23:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: I just want to trade you 17:23:25
darkman1a: there were probably only 1 or two people who actually knew if Hitler died in the bunker or not, but it still was part of history because it happened 17:23:52
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes, because it was recorded. 17:24:23
ORANGE GARBAGE: Now, can we please get back to the point? 17:24:35
darkman1a: NO, its not recorded weather hitler died in the bunker or not 17:24:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: Okay... 17:25:03
darkman1a: nobody knows except for maybee 1 person who was there if they arent dead yet 17:25:09
ORANGE GARBAGE: What's your point? 17:25:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: Are you seriously going to tell me that you can somehow tie that back to how a virtual made-up game is real? 17:25:39
darkman1a: my point is a T-Rex lived on the earth millions of years ago. Nobody gave him a name called bob and wrote about him in a history book, but it still happened 17:26:12
darkman1a: there are more things that Actually happened that dont get written into a history book than those that do 17:26:39
ORANGE GARBAGE: So how does that relate to Team Fortress 2, and this trade? 17:26:57
darkman1a: dude you brought it up, you said TF2 wasnt real 17:27:15
ORANGE GARBAGE: Because it isn't. 17:27:24
darkman1a: but it is. 17:27:33
darkman1a: am i not sitting behind my keyboard playing a game? 17:27:52
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's a game that many people know about, but you can't take your grenade launcher out of your monitor 17:28:00
ORANGE GARBAGE: Stories by authors are made-up. It's the same as this game. 17:28:27
darkman1a: If 2 people sit down and play checkers, did that really happen? 17:28:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: Playing checkers is playing with things that are real 17:28:44
darkman1a: ok so now two people sit down behind two computers and play checkers. did they not actually play a game of checkers? 17:29:22
ORANGE GARBAGE: The only thing real in that senario are the people and the computers. Nothing more 17:29:44
darkman1a: a game of checkers was played 17:29:54
darkman1a: that really happened 17:30:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: That doesn't make the game real. 17:30:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: You're playing a virtual coded machine 17:30:19
ORANGE GARBAGE: If you're playing checkers for real, you're using an actual object and a board 17:30:45
darkman1a: now in the case of TF2, the 3d virtual world is all rendered out by the computer, but there are still Real people on both ends, making real strategic moves to win or not 17:31:15
ORANGE GARBAGE: The only real thing about it are the people. 17:31:35
darkman1a: Two teams play TF2, 1 team wins. Did they really win? 17:31:57
ORANGE GARBAGE: No. 17:32:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: They've wasted time in real life 17:32:10
ORANGE GARBAGE: Playing a game for fun 17:32:19
ORANGE GARBAGE: Not to make history 17:32:23
darkman1a: Yes you will have 12 real people that competed against 12 other people, and only 12 people will come out victorious 17:32:38
ORANGE GARBAGE: So what? 17:32:51
darkman1a: The Win is real 17:32:55
ORANGE GARBAGE: That doesn't make it any more real 17:32:56
darkman1a: they really won 17:33:15
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can win any game. A game of football is real. A game of virtual football isn't real. 17:33:21
darkman1a: they didnt fake win 17:33:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: Ye sthey did 17:33:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's exactly what they did 17:33:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: They fake won 17:33:36
darkman1a: so your telling me the world champion of chess plays a game against somebody in Britain via computer. your telling me the world champion doesnt actually win? 17:34:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well they'd be stupid if they did that 17:34:56
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can rig a computer in your favor 17:35:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can rig things that are virtual 17:35:15
darkman1a: no people play chess online all the time 17:35:17
ORANGE GARBAGE: Which means they are fake 17:35:23
darkman1a: No u cant rig a chess game 17:35:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can't rig real life 17:35:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: And that's why it's called "real" life 17:35:40
darkman1a: your opponent would know if you made a move that was cheating 17:35:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: I can hack team fortress 2, which the equivalent of rigging it 17:36:08
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why it's fake!
17:36:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can't cheat in real chess 17:36:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: Unless you're a wqizard 17:36:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: *wizard 17:36:46
darkman1a: No, cuz then you will have REALLy hacked it, and Really won a riggec game 17:36:46
ORANGE GARBAGE: EXACTLY 17:36:55
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why it's fake 17:36:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can't rig real life, and that's why it's real. 17:37:13
darkman1a: you cant cheat in a virtual chess match without the other player knowing 17:37:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: Do you see the difference?
17:37:17
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes you can 17:37:20
ORANGE GARBAGE: People do it all the time 17:37:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can hack anything that's virtual 17:37:31
darkman1a: try and make a move that you cant do against a chess master and see if he knows about it 17:37:53
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm not saying in that way, but you can make it play out in your favor 17:38:11
darkman1a: anyway your missing the point 17:38:12
ORANGE GARBAGE: They don't have control if you're hacking it 17:38:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'M MISSING THE POINT?
17:38:26
ORANGE GARBAGE: SAYS THE GUY WHO HAS BEEN OFF TOPIC FOR THE LAST HOUR? 17:38:36
darkman1a: weather your hacking or not is not the point 17:38:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: Okay, you know what? Fuck this. Fuck moses and his coins, fuck the bible, fuck god, fuck this trade, fuck Indiana Jones, fuck lord of the rings, and most of all, fuck you. 17:3"
Disclaimer:
I'm sorry if you find it offensive in any way, shape or form. I'm just going to point out first off that I'm not religious at all, so if you are, you probably don't want to read this. Especially if you get offended by rude language or anything that offends your religion. If any of the things I just mentioned bother you, please don't read this. -To moderators: If you think this thread is pointless, or too offensive, please remove it. I read the rules of the forums, and I'm not sure how bad this is.-
The story: During my time playing on this server, I found a guy that had an unusual Detective Noir with sunbeams. After doing some more research, I learned that this particular guy didn't know a whole lot about trading, or the value of hats. I decided to trade him, knowing that if I completed the trade, I could benefit greatly, so I offered him some crappy items for it to see just how smart he was.
The chat:
-This entire conversation on my part is complete bullshit. I was just trying to convince him to trade me.-
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ORANGE GARBAGE: Hey! 16:22:26
darkman1a: sup, u got a hat of undeniable wealth and respect? 16:22:40
ORANGE GARBAGE: So, I was wondering, If I add to my unusual which is worth the undeniable hat of wealth and respect, would you take it? 16:23:01
ORANGE GARBAGE: I have more hats and everything 16:23:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: So you get a better unusual and hats to go with it 16:23:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: To get the hat or undeniable wealth and respect 16:23:27
darkman1a: no cuz i dont play medic, i only play spy 16:23:45
ORANGE GARBAGE: You said every class was your favorite. And if that's the case, I have plenty of spy things 16:24:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: Like the assassin's suite 16:24:12
ORANGE GARBAGE: Which I bet you don't have 16:24:18
darkman1a: Ive got EVERYTHING! 16:24:31
darkman1a: everything i need 16:24:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: Sure, let's just see if you have these.. 16:24:45
You added ''TF2 Assassin's Hidden Blade'' 16:24:59
You added ''Tf2 Assassin's Hood'' 16:25:02
darkman1a: i bet u dont have this! 16:25:04
darkman1a added The Concheror 16:25:08
ORANGE GARBAGE: I do 16:25:13
You added The Concheror 16:25:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: And I have this 16:25:27
darkman1a removed The Concheror 16:25:35
You added ''UNUSUAL DR. GOGGLESTACHE'' 16:25:43
darkman1a: bet u dont have this! 16:25:46
ORANGE GARBAGE: How about all this for it? 16:25:49
darkman1a added Rogue's Col Roule 16:25:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, I have had that. But I don't like it 16:26:03
ORANGE GARBAGE: :l 16:26:05
darkman1a removed Rogue's Col Roule 16:26:14
darkman1a added The Idea Tube 16:26:15
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I'll give you all of this for your detective noir 16:26:22
darkman1a: oh yeah, well what about this! 16:26:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: I don't have that and still don't like it. Lol 16:26:36
ORANGE GARBAGE: I only have things that I like, and other people like 16:26:47
darkman1a added Stout Shako 16:27:01
darkman1a removed The Idea Tube 16:27:03
darkman1a: bet u dont have that 16:27:10
ORANGE GARBAGE: So what do you say, all of this for your unusual Detective Noir? 16:27:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: Your missing my point now 16:27:28
darkman1a: You know thats not bad stuff you have there. I dont have 3 of those things 16:27:47
ORANGE GARBAGE: And they'll all worth more than your unusual 16:28:09
darkman1a: but, at least 2 of them look like they were part of a promotional bit for buying theif 16:28:10
ORANGE GARBAGE: No, it's for Assassin's creed 16:28:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: And they're extremely valueable promos because nobody bought it during that time 16:28:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I will give them to you for your unusual 16:29:00
darkman1a: I dunno, its not a bad offer youve made, but l'm not really interested in getting rid of my spy hat regardless of how rare other items you have 16:29:12
darkman1a removed Stout Shako 16:29:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: Do you need anything else to seal the deal? 16:29:34
ORANGE GARBAGE: I've got more 16:29:39
darkman1a: no, even if you offered your entire inventory i dont think i would be interested 16:30:00
darkman1a added The Mask of the Shaman 16:30:13
darkman1a: bet u dont have that! 16:30:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, I'm offering more than what it's worth now. I think it would be best if you took my offer where it's at. I'm even offering to add more 16:30:36
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's called haggling. You've gotta know when to jump on a deal 16:31:03
darkman1a: like i said, you could have ALL Items valve has EVER MADE, and i wouldnt be interested 16:31:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: Then I think your judgement is awful. 16:31:51
darkman1a: Its negotiating or haggeling when both parties want to make a trade. 16:31:53
darkman1a removed The Mask of the Shaman 16:32:05
ORANGE GARBAGE: No, it's negotiating or haggling when someone offers in a trade 16:32:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: Whether they accept or not isn't apart of it. 16:32:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I've been trading since trading came out, and I know how much items go for, and how valued they are. And I'm telling you it would be stupid if you don't accept my offer 16:33:13
darkman1a: the purpose of haggeling is when two parties want to make a deal. The first guy starts high, the sencond starts low, then they work to a point where they are both satisfied. 16:33:32
darkman1a: I'm just not interested in selling it 16:33:58
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, I'm trying to get to the point where you're satisfied, so help me out. 16:33:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: Why not? 16:34:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: Give me one good reason 16:34:09
darkman1a: I havent built up my inventory by "trading" for items. Ive built it up over time by things that have naturaly come my way 16:34:46
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm giving you items you don't have, and they're extremely valueable 16:34:47
darkman1a: So in that sence the hat found me 16:35:00
darkman1a: I cant argue with the will of the hat 16:35:17
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, these items can expand your inventory to greater hights 16:35:22
ORANGE GARBAGE: If that's truley what you're concerned about 16:35:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: There's no such thing as "the will of the hat" 16:35:50
darkman1a: There is SOOO the will of the hat! the Random Drop system picked me for that Item! It chose me. therefore i cannot argue with the will of Valve 16:36:35
ORANGE GARBAGE: And if there is such a thing as the will of the hat, let these be your new hats. Let them be hats calling for you. 16:36:55
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's there will that they're traded to you 16:37:03
darkman1a: It could have given me a worthless crate. It could have given me an item ive already had, but it dint it gave me the spy hat 16:37:11
ORANGE GARBAGE: But what if the hat chooses me? From your inventory? And these hats are choosing you? 16:37:54
darkman1a: There is only one maybee two times a year that the random drop system will give you a hat. Its even rarer that that drop will be unusual 16:38:18
darkman1a: So if you are dropped a hat, you hold on to it 16:38:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: If that's true, then why is there even such thing as trading? 16:38:49
darkman1a: I cannot take you trading me those hats as the will of the random drop system. Because you are now interfereing with that system by trading. 16:39:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: There's no interference if the system was made 16:39:44
ORANGE GARBAGE: It was made along side it 16:39:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: To support the will of the hat 16:39:55
darkman1a: The trading system is there so that you can get rid of extra stuff you have that others dont have yet. 16:39:57
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, I have stuff that you don't have and want, and you have sometyhing that I don't have and want 16:40:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: So let's trade 16:40:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: I don't see your point 16:40:40
darkman1a: well my point is the hat is not extra that i dont want. 16:41:07
darkman1a: i only have 1 of it 16:41:12
ORANGE GARBAGE: Same here 16:41:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: I only have one of mine 16:41:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: And one of these items 16:41:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: I love all of them 16:41:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I'm willing to give them up for something I'd like to have 16:41:39
ORANGE GARBAGE: I know these are items that you'd like to have because you don't already have them 16:41:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: Why don't we switch items and see how you likem them? Or see if they fit you better? 16:42:19
darkman1a: I dunno, Valve has entrusted to me the safe keeping of this here spy hat. If i were to give it to you, it would be like moses giving pharoh his majic staff 16:42:45
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, valve has done the same to me 16:43:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I'm willing to give a little to let it go 16:43:26
darkman1a: It would be like Moses handing over the 10 commandments to the egyptians for 10 pieces of silver 16:43:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can be like moses, and I'll be the pharoh 16:43:48
ORANGE GARBAGE: This is a video game though 16:44:22
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's different 16:44:27
darkman1a: Moses wouldnt sell out the 10 commandments to the egyptians for 10 pieces of silver 16:44:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: Even through the concept is similart 16:44:36
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes, but this is a video game, and they made trading so that people like us could trade 16:45:03
ORANGE GARBAGE: And if you're given the right by valve to trade, then why do you think valve wants you to keep the item? 16:45:20
darkman1a: lo it is my sacred duty to use and protect this Unusual detective Noir 16:45:21
darkman1a: just cuz valve put in trading doesnt mean your supposed to trade everything that you find for something else 16:46:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's not everything you find, it's just one thing 16:46:29
ORANGE GARBAGE: If I can give up four things to you, you could at least give me one thing 16:46:41
darkman1a: If you want a spy hat you can either buy one directly of your choosing or craft it 16:46:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I want your specific one 16:46:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: When I came to that server, I knew I had to talk to you for it 16:47:08
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why I want it in the first place 16:47:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: So I'm trying to give you the best offer I can 16:47:24
darkman1a: well you can put in a class item to make sure the hat u craft is a spy hat 16:47:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: But It's not the same as yours 16:47:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yours is special 16:47:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: Like my items are special 16:47:54
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why I want to trade you in return 16:48:05
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm giving you gifts, for your one gift 16:48:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: And if what you're saying is true about the spy hats, then why don't you do that? 16:48:30
ORANGE GARBAGE: And get these items as well 16:48:36
darkman1a: Its not about you trading 4 or 5 things for my just one thing 16:48:51
ORANGE GARBAGE: Then what is it about? 16:49:14
darkman1a: making it 11 or 12 pieces of silver doesnt make trading away the 10 commandments any "righter" 16:49:17
ORANGE GARBAGE: There is no right or wrong to trading in a video game 16:49:48
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why Istill don't understand why you don't trade me 16:50:04
darkman1a: As in life we must all accept what we have. There fore i suggest you make peace with what the random drop system has given unto you 16:50:18
darkman1a: and be satisfied with what u have 16:50:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: But what if I want to spread my same joy that valve has given me with you? 16:50:48
darkman1a: otherwise you will always go thru life not satisfied with what u have 16:50:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: I have been satisfied with these items 16:51:03
ORANGE GARBAGE: Time and time again 16:51:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: But there's always a time to know when to let go 16:51:18
darkman1a: I am content. I do not need your joy. for unto me it would serve as a poison causing disscontent 16:51:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: And make way for bigger and better things 16:51:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: But you said they were items you didn't have, and you really wanted 16:51:47
ORANGE GARBAGE: There is no discontent to joy 16:51:58
darkman1a: I never said i wanted them. I merely said i didnt have them and they were nice looking items 16:52:14
ORANGE GARBAGE: That kind of implies that you'd like them 16:52:40
darkman1a: they are nice looking items, but i do not need them to be happy 16:53:09
ORANGE GARBAGE: Even if you don't like them, wouldn't you want to feel the joy of making others happy? 16:53:14
ORANGE GARBAGE: Isn't that what life's about? 16:53:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: And if not, isn't that a huge part of life? 16:53:35
darkman1a: Therefore let you keep your item, and if you believe they are a way to bigger and better things, let you trade them for bigger and better things and be happy 16:54:11
ORANGE GARBAGE: But I won't be happy without your item specifically. I haven't found anyone else with that exact one. 16:54:44
darkman1a: but as i say bigger and better things are not what happiness makes 16:54:48
ORANGE GARBAGE: It doesn't even matter to me if it is bigger and better, I just want to be happy. And having your unusual would make me very happy 16:55:27
darkman1a: I think you would be only fooling yourself into thinking that you would be happy if you had my item. For once you had it, you woud only need more 16:55:40
ORANGE GARBAGE: Why would I need more after having an item like yours? 16:56:01
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's the one thing I've wanted for a long time 16:56:09
ORANGE GARBAGE: You're the first person I've seen with it, and I would be honored if you'd give me it 16:56:29
darkman1a: because the emptiness that drives you to want my item would only remain once you had it 16:56:31
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm lucky to have found you in the first place 16:56:42
darkman1a: Plenty of people must have a detective noir 16:56:54
ORANGE GARBAGE: Not like yours 16:57:05
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yours is unusual 16:57:08
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's what makes it special to me 16:57:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: And it's for spy 16:57:23
ORANGE GARBAGE: Which is my favorite class 16:57:28
darkman1a: even if it wasnt an unusual, it still has the same look, so i would just be contet at that 16:57:31
darkman1a: and if your into the glowy effects, you could just add those 16:57:55
ORANGE GARBAGE: I wouldn't. There's some sort of value that I find in it that most others don't 16:58:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm not after just any noir, I'm after yours 16:58:30
ORANGE GARBAGE: No other noir could possibly make me feel as good as having that one would 16:59:00
ORANGE GARBAGE: I can't just simply craft another 16:59:06
darkman1a: As in the Movie Lord of the Rings, Frodo dint give Sauron the one ring because he wanted it. No he did what was right and protected it. and that is what i must do. Protect this Detective Noir 16:59:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: But this isn't lord of the rings, this is Team Fortress 2. 17:00:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: This isn't the same senario 17:00:33
darkman1a: yes, this is Team Fortress 2, but the battle against evil continues on everywhere around the world 24/7 17:01:02
ORANGE GARBAGE: Are you calling me evil? 17:01:13
darkman1a: If i were to give u this hat, i would be selling out the providence that has bestowed it upon me 17:01:48
ORANGE GARBAGE: And what's that? 17:02:02
ORANGE GARBAGE: Just to hold onto it and never give it away, and never use it? 17:02:17
darkman1a: and yes, i find your neverending unsatiable lust for this hat evil 17:02:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: You're basically letting it rot in it's place 17:02:26
ORANGE GARBAGE: If you give it to someone like me, it would be for the better because of the benefits it would cause 17:02:46
darkman1a: did you ever see Indiana Jones and the last Crusade where the nazi drinks from the chalise? only it wasnt the right one and he disintegrates? 17:04:00
ORANGE GARBAGE: And isn't being selfish evil? I think that you're being selfish in not giving the hat to me for silly reasons 17:04:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: Keeping your goods to yourself 17:04:30
darkman1a: protecting the chalise from the nazis isnt being selfish 17:04:48
darkman1a: giving the chalise to the nazis would be evil 17:05:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well you're not Indiana jones, and we're not protecting chalise 17:05:16
darkman1a: yes, yes this is exactly like that. 17:05:38
darkman1a: I am the knight sworn to protect the chalise, and i must keep it safe from the nazis 17:05:56
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's not even close to the same thing 17:05:58
ORANGE GARBAGE: This is Team Fortress 2 17:06:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: Not a movie 17:06:11
ORANGE GARBAGE: Nor does it have to do with knights and nazis 17:06:22
darkman1a: well then i cant give it to you because i'm Frodo and your Sauron 17:06:44
ORANGE GARBAGE: This isn't Lord of the Rings either 17:07:02
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's a movie too 17:07:07
darkman1a: well then i'm like moses and i cant give u the 10 commandments 17:08:05
darkman1a: And thats not a movie, thats REAL! 17:08:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: But it's not a video game 17:08:30
ORANGE GARBAGE: This is a video game 17:08:42
ORANGE GARBAGE: Video games aren't real 17:08:50
ORANGE GARBAGE: So don't compare events and movies to video games 17:09:13
darkman1a: the game isnt real, but the events that happen inside it ARE 17:09:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: In who's history book? 17:09:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: In who's bible? 17:09:46
darkman1a: if my soldier moves foreward in the game its because I Really pressed the fwd key 17:10:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes... and that's in a video game 17:10:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: You playing a video game isn't an event in history 17:10:58
darkman1a: and if my soldier prevails by getting the intel, its because my keystrokes Really happened and Opposed the Real keystrokes of the other team 17:11:32
darkman1a: are you saying events in the bible dint take place? 17:11:56
ORANGE GARBAGE: So... what you're saying is, you're playing Team Fortress 2..? 17:12:02
darkman1a: yes i am Really sitting at my desk playing TF2 17:12:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: Then what does that have to do with our trade? 17:12:45
ORANGE GARBAGE: You're getting away from the point of this conversation entirely 17:13:00
darkman1a: no cuz you said TF2 wasnt real 17:13:14
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's not technically real. It's in a madeup world 17:13:30
darkman1a: i think u may also have implied that events in the bible arent real also 17:13:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: How? 17:13:49
darkman1a: " In who's history book? 19:09:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: In who's bible?" 17:14:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm talking about places were normal history events are stored. 17:14:52
ORANGE GARBAGE: I said that you playing tf2 isn't stored in either of those 17:15:05
ORANGE GARBAGE: How does that imply that I said the bible isn't real? 17:15:35
darkman1a: I said you might have impied that you didnt think the events in it were real with your statement of "whose history book" implying that things do or dont happen based on the author of the book 17:17:54
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well, someone had to write the book 17:18:09
ORANGE GARBAGE: And writers of books are called authors 17:18:19
darkman1a: yes but your also implying that events in TF2 dont happen because nobody is there to write about them 17:18:45
ORANGE GARBAGE: So? 17:18:54
darkman1a: so back to the statement where you said that TF2 isnt real 17:19:13
darkman1a: because it isnt recorded in a history book 17:19:30
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's a virtual game 17:19:39
darkman1a: i would have to differ because it is recorded 17:19:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: The virtual world isn't real 17:19:47
ORANGE GARBAGE: In what way is it recorded? 17:19:52
darkman1a: 1 its recorded by the "replay" feature 17:19:55
darkman1a: 2 its recorded in your brain as to the events that took place while you were playing it 17:20:16
darkman1a: do you not remember if you won or lost a game? 17:20:35
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes, but nobody else but you will remember them 17:20:40
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's the point 17:20:47
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's not history if nobody's heard of it 17:20:54
darkman1a: everybody on my team, everybody on the opposing team will know the events of that game 17:21:01
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's the small percentage of the world 17:21:21
darkman1a: IT is History if it happens, not if nobodys heard of it 17:21:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: Even if it is, it won't matter to anyone but you and your team. 17:21:45
darkman1a: Up until 200 years ago nobody had heard of the lost city in manchu Pichu 17:21:47
darkman1a: But it happened, it was there 17:21:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: And that was marked as history 17:22:01
ORANGE GARBAGE: This is a video game 17:22:04
darkman1a: The point of how important something is is not neccessarily determined by how many people know about it 17:23:00
ORANGE GARBAGE: Listen, can we just get back to the point of this entire conversation?
17:23:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: I just want to trade you 17:23:25
darkman1a: there were probably only 1 or two people who actually knew if Hitler died in the bunker or not, but it still was part of history because it happened 17:23:52
ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes, because it was recorded. 17:24:23
ORANGE GARBAGE: Now, can we please get back to the point? 17:24:35
darkman1a: NO, its not recorded weather hitler died in the bunker or not 17:24:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: Okay... 17:25:03
darkman1a: nobody knows except for maybee 1 person who was there if they arent dead yet 17:25:09
ORANGE GARBAGE: What's your point? 17:25:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: Are you seriously going to tell me that you can somehow tie that back to how a virtual made-up game is real? 17:25:39
darkman1a: my point is a T-Rex lived on the earth millions of years ago. Nobody gave him a name called bob and wrote about him in a history book, but it still happened 17:26:12
darkman1a: there are more things that Actually happened that dont get written into a history book than those that do 17:26:39
ORANGE GARBAGE: So how does that relate to Team Fortress 2, and this trade? 17:26:57
darkman1a: dude you brought it up, you said TF2 wasnt real 17:27:15
ORANGE GARBAGE: Because it isn't. 17:27:24
darkman1a: but it is. 17:27:33
darkman1a: am i not sitting behind my keyboard playing a game? 17:27:52
ORANGE GARBAGE: It's a game that many people know about, but you can't take your grenade launcher out of your monitor 17:28:00
ORANGE GARBAGE: Stories by authors are made-up. It's the same as this game. 17:28:27
darkman1a: If 2 people sit down and play checkers, did that really happen? 17:28:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: Playing checkers is playing with things that are real 17:28:44
darkman1a: ok so now two people sit down behind two computers and play checkers. did they not actually play a game of checkers? 17:29:22
ORANGE GARBAGE: The only thing real in that senario are the people and the computers. Nothing more 17:29:44
darkman1a: a game of checkers was played 17:29:54
darkman1a: that really happened 17:30:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: That doesn't make the game real. 17:30:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: You're playing a virtual coded machine 17:30:19
ORANGE GARBAGE: If you're playing checkers for real, you're using an actual object and a board 17:30:45
darkman1a: now in the case of TF2, the 3d virtual world is all rendered out by the computer, but there are still Real people on both ends, making real strategic moves to win or not 17:31:15
ORANGE GARBAGE: The only real thing about it are the people. 17:31:35
darkman1a: Two teams play TF2, 1 team wins. Did they really win? 17:31:57
ORANGE GARBAGE: No. 17:32:04
ORANGE GARBAGE: They've wasted time in real life 17:32:10
ORANGE GARBAGE: Playing a game for fun 17:32:19
ORANGE GARBAGE: Not to make history 17:32:23
darkman1a: Yes you will have 12 real people that competed against 12 other people, and only 12 people will come out victorious 17:32:38
ORANGE GARBAGE: So what? 17:32:51
darkman1a: The Win is real 17:32:55
ORANGE GARBAGE: That doesn't make it any more real 17:32:56
darkman1a: they really won 17:33:15
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can win any game. A game of football is real. A game of virtual football isn't real. 17:33:21
darkman1a: they didnt fake win 17:33:21
ORANGE GARBAGE: Ye sthey did 17:33:27
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's exactly what they did 17:33:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: They fake won 17:33:36
darkman1a: so your telling me the world champion of chess plays a game against somebody in Britain via computer. your telling me the world champion doesnt actually win? 17:34:32
ORANGE GARBAGE: Well they'd be stupid if they did that 17:34:56
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can rig a computer in your favor 17:35:07
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can rig things that are virtual 17:35:15
darkman1a: no people play chess online all the time 17:35:17
ORANGE GARBAGE: Which means they are fake 17:35:23
darkman1a: No u cant rig a chess game 17:35:25
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can't rig real life 17:35:28
ORANGE GARBAGE: And that's why it's called "real" life 17:35:40
darkman1a: your opponent would know if you made a move that was cheating 17:35:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: I can hack team fortress 2, which the equivalent of rigging it 17:36:08
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why it's fake!
17:36:16
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can't cheat in real chess 17:36:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: Unless you're a wqizard 17:36:43
ORANGE GARBAGE: *wizard 17:36:46
darkman1a: No, cuz then you will have REALLy hacked it, and Really won a riggec game 17:36:46
ORANGE GARBAGE: EXACTLY 17:36:55
ORANGE GARBAGE: That's why it's fake 17:36:59
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can't rig real life, and that's why it's real. 17:37:13
darkman1a: you cant cheat in a virtual chess match without the other player knowing 17:37:13
ORANGE GARBAGE: Do you see the difference?
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ORANGE GARBAGE: Yes you can 17:37:20
ORANGE GARBAGE: People do it all the time 17:37:24
ORANGE GARBAGE: You can hack anything that's virtual 17:37:31
darkman1a: try and make a move that you cant do against a chess master and see if he knows about it 17:37:53
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'm not saying in that way, but you can make it play out in your favor 17:38:11
darkman1a: anyway your missing the point 17:38:12
ORANGE GARBAGE: They don't have control if you're hacking it 17:38:18
ORANGE GARBAGE: I'M MISSING THE POINT?
17:38:26
ORANGE GARBAGE: SAYS THE GUY WHO HAS BEEN OFF TOPIC FOR THE LAST HOUR? 17:38:36
darkman1a: weather your hacking or not is not the point 17:38:41
ORANGE GARBAGE: Okay, you know what? Fuck this. Fuck moses and his coins, fuck the bible, fuck god, fuck this trade, fuck Indiana Jones, fuck lord of the rings, and most of all, fuck you. 17:3"
