[Norrec]

Looks like he plays on regular 2fort

[CueBee]

Supposedly he has already received a 1 day ban in the past as warning. I don't care whether he gets banned permanently or not - most of us just want the constant team-destroying whining to end.

[EE]

Nearly everyone bitches in TF2. Whether it was some lag, a lucky crit or a bad teammate, we've all bitched about something at some point. Some people even bitch and praise in equal measure. Most of us move on from bitching and continue playing the game; there are some people who never move on though.

[LoD] EE is one such player. His constant moaning has now reached the point where people will leave the server rather than play with him. Some people believe votekicking him is an abuse of the system; others think it's the only way to keep from having a decent game ruined.

I respectfully request that something be done about him. Be it another temp ban or a final warning, action should be taken to make him understand the consequences of his disruptive behavior.

Before someone says "just mute him," let me point out that his actions do not stop short of whining over the mic or in text. If EE thinks that his team isn't performing up to par, he begins to take actions that allow the other team to win. Sometimes he will just stand around not playing. Other times he will let the enemy know about a lack of defense, or the location of sub-standard defense. As soon as he joins, people cringe in anticipation.

Again, I ask that someone please do something to curtail his behavior or simply eliminate him.

Cuebee, you know what the situation is, dont try to play it as more than what it really is.

This is the situation. I try my damnedest to get these guys at least working as a team. The problem partially lies with the way the server is set up. The other is the intelligence level of the players themselves.

There really needs to be a limit on the number of each class that you can play, perhaps no more than 3 or 4. At times, you would get a team full of retards, to say it nicely, who think 6 or 7 engineers is a good idea. 3 of them are AFK and have been for 5 minutes, 2 are building in the intel room for some stupid reason and the other two can barely find their way out of the spawn room without getting lost along the way.

There are some damned good players who always do what the team needs, the dbs guys and girls, great group of players and a couple other guild/clans that I cant recall their abbrev for.

The problem is, you get some guys who come to the server and all they will do is fire their damned flare gun off the battlements trying for some stupid achievement instead of helping the team. You will have a sniper who will stay guarding our sewers for no reason than to guard our sewers. You will have a engineer, the only one we have, building on the ramp to our sewers instead of the correct location. I dont know about you but I dont think that helps the team at all.

Remember, this is TEAM Fortress, the word TEAM is in there for a damned reason, Steve Jobs and Apple didnt make the game, its not i Fortress, its not a single player game. You want that, play Quake. GO after the intel, defend the intel, do what the game request, otherwise, why the hell are you playing? Its not a barbie dress up game, who gives a grab about your lack of drops or your achievements, go after the intel, defend our intel and get to the point of playing on a objective based game.

For those who say, " Its 24/7 2 fort, what do you expect? " Well, its 24/7 2 fort, its the easiest map of them all in the game to learn to play, I expect that its players should be playing with the intelligence level of at least a retarded 5 year old which is sadly, a much better play style than a majority of the players give. I expect just a little bit of team work, it does not take much to be able to get a decent defense or offense on the map.

As for my temp ban, it was complete BS. I got a temp ban for vote kick abuse, the guy set up a sentry in the intel with a dispenser in front of it, it was completely useless, I initiated a vote kick so the guy would be removed and we could get someone on our team who was going to help our team. OH EFFING NOES! ABUSE! ABUSE!

As for me letting our enemy know about our lack of defense, Why do you care? You obviously dont give a crap about our lack of players helping the team, if you dont care about that, why do you care so much about me letting the enemy know about our lack of defense? Its another things I use to try to get the guys not helping the team to move their sentries etc into locations to help the team. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. You cant have it both ways. Either you dont care that the team isnt working together or you do care, you need to pick one. Jesus man, I will tell the enemy how they can better defend themselves to get a better game out of them. I dislike rolling over the enemy as much as I hate being rolled over because of retarded players.

So to sum this up, here is what is needed on the server.

1: No picking the team you want to join, it auto joins you to the team that is needed. No picking because that leads to stacking ( major problem on the server )
2: Limit classes, I would prefer no more than 3 of any one class but I can see where 4 could be useful in limited situations, there is never, ever a need for 5 or more of any class and people doing that should be kicked for griefing their own team because they are no longer useful to their team.
3: being useless to the team should be a kickable offense. If you are not helping your team, if your being there is less useful than someone going AFK in a hallway, you would be kicked so someone who wants to play and help their team can come in and do so.

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

1: No picking the team you want to join, it auto joins you to the team that is needed. No picking because that leads to stacking ( major problem on the server )

This just proves to make people not play on our servers. Terrible notion.

2: Limit classes, I would prefer no more than 3 of any one class but I can see where 4 could be useful in limited situations, there is never, ever a need for 5 or more of any class and people doing that should be kicked for griefing their own team because they are no longer useful to their team.

So you complain about players not doing their job at their class but you want useless idiots to clog up vital classes?

Do you not know how irritating it is to not be able to go outside of the battlements because a sniper has out-sniped your three shitty snipers and then their other two snipers pick people off at their own leisure?

Now imagine four FUNGINEERS all camping the enemy sewers.

3: being useless to the team should be a kickable offense. If you are not helping your team, if your being there is less useful than someone going AFK in a hallway, you would be kicked so someone who wants to play and help their team can come in and do so.

These ideas are all fine and dandy, but this isn't a competitions server. 2fort is sandbox mode. It is a piss-easy map where your team doesn't really need to do anything because you can make up strategies as you go along and do fine. Why do you think every new useless weapon they make is golden there?

ps. I have defended my base fine with sentries in the intel room. Just because it doesn't earn you as many points doesn't mean it isn't a viable strategy.

2fort =/= serious business.

[Deadbolt]

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

You can't write a brick wall it is made out of brick and not words.

[EE]

This just proves to make people not play on our servers. Terrible notion.

And the same players constantly stacking themselves on the same team, to the point of people logging off of the server is a good way of getting players to play? People are constantly pissed because of the constant stacking of teams. You get one side with DESA and DBS playing where they communicate and the 4 of 5 of them playing can dismantle the other team of 16 because the morons on there cant find their way out of spawn let alone communicate and set up a even remotely useful defense.

So you complain about players not doing their job at their class but you want useless idiots to clog up vital classes?

Do you not know how irritating it is to not be able to go outside of the battlements because a sniper has out-sniped your three shitty snipers and then their other two snipers pick people off at their own leisure?

How does having 5 snipers, 3 being useless really do the team much more good? At least you have 3 snipers being useless instead of 5 players playing sniper and now removing an extra 2 players from attacking, medic or defending. Having a max of classes is the lesser of the two evils. If someone wont move from the role because they are sucking, vote kick them off, perhaps a votechangeclass so that someone else more capable can come in and fill the role. I would sooner have 13 players out of 16 being useful than 11 out of 16 because of no class restrictions.

Now imagine four FUNGINEERS all camping the enemy sewers.

Imagine it? It already happens. You constantly have morons building right next to each other even after several people tell them not to. Of course, its impossible to get them vote kicked off. Then you add in the true griefers who will purposlly do stuff to hurt the team as in all going engineer to defend the inside of the spiral where it does the team no good.

These ideas are all fine and dandy, but this isn't a competitions server. 2fort is sandbox mode. It is a piss-easy map where your team doesn't really need to do anything because you can make up strategies as you go along and do fine. Why do you think every new useless weapon they make is golden there?

No, its not a competitive server, its meant to be for fun but how many time did you have fun where the team, is losing 14-0 because one side is so inept that they cant even come together as a team to stop a single spy let alone an entire team. Losing because of your retarded team mates is not fun, I dont see where it has ever been fun.

As for strategies, there are ones that work and ones that dont. I think they have all been discovered by now dont you? I dont think some guy setting something up in the grate or two guys doing so it going to discover something that new that still doesnt work.

ps. I have defended my base fine with sentries in the intel room. Just because it doesn't earn you as many points doesn't mean it isn't a viable strategy.

2fort =/= serious business.

Perhaps you have defended your base fine, likely because you were going against the dumbasses I had on my team, you ever think about that? There are lots of things you can do that really help your team that dont net you points, like air blasting that uber away and is a viable strategy that people just cant seem to comprehend. When you are defending your base, stopping the enemy after they have got down to the intel is not good because they have run of your base now. You need to stop them before they get down otherwise you lose. Its happened time and time again and these morons simply dont learn from their mistakes. They keep doing the same retarded crap over and over and over expecting a different outcome. Of course I am going to call them on it.

Is teamwork in Team Fortress too much to ask for? You guys used to have one of the best servers out there, when I left a little over a year ago, man.. it was all about competitive games, its the reason I joined was because I heard the server was full of really good players. Now, its like some good players are here and then the rest of from Mrs Coopers Special Education Class and they are playing on their recess. Saying a majority of the players are borderline retarded really isnt being mean, its being truthful and I am sure many will agree with me when I say that.
I am all for trying to get these 'tards in shape to at least resemble a group of player who have a clue as to what it is they should be doing, hiding near spawn as medic and not venturing out of the base isnt one of them.

Much like your father did with you all when you were kids, when you were a dumbass, he called you on it and said so, " Son, you are a dumbass, knock it off ". I do the same to the dumbasses of TF2. Some learn and have become useful players and no one who plays on the server cant say that I dont go for team first.

[KaiLan]

3: being useless to the team should be a kickable offense. If you are not helping your team, if your being there is less useful than someone going AFK in a hallway, you would be kicked so someone who wants to play and help their team can come in and do so.

If someone wont move from the role because they are sucking, vote kick them off, perhaps a votechangeclass

Why don't you go run a small third world country as a dictator?

[Dumb_Dog]

ban fun

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

Imagine it? It already happens. You constantly have morons building right next to each other even after several people tell them not to. Of course, its impossible to get them vote kicked off. Then you add in the true griefers who will purposlly do stuff to hurt the team as in all going engineer to defend the inside of the spiral where it does the team no good.

My point with your magical class limit those four fungineers are you ONLY ENGINEERS. The class is full, sorry that you wanted to actually defend the base you are fucked.

The problem isn't your philosophy, I mean all of this stuff would work great IF we were the only 2fort server on earth. that 90% of the people you would ban for being useless is suddenly gone and you have a 10v10 match. People try and join but quickly find they can't play the class they want and bail, or they can't join a team with their friend so they leave.

With all of these people gone the server empties more and more and people donate less and less until SourceOP has no 2fort servers because it isn't cost efficient to run them.

I have been an administrator on enough servers to tell you that these rules you are trying to force are cancer and the people who you bitch about are the people keeping the servers up and running in the first place.