Prop 8 in Cali

[Asai]

At the risk of being an ass, and yes i am going to go there. There is no scientific evidence that says that people who are "gay" have made a choice. Attraction is subjective as in what is attractive to me may not be attractive to someone else. The biological processes that determine sexual preference have not been explained to MY satisfaction scientifically, with fact, therefore we are left with only a religious argument against. The problem is as i see it is that some people have made a choice concerning Religion "which is a choice" to discriminate againt someone who does not follow thier particular belief system. 50 years ago in the backwards south a black man and a white woman could not get married legally, times and attitudes change and this is just the first battle in what will be a long war against ideological oppression. The problem is that marrage is still considered a religious occasion, but there are certain civil benefits to marrage that take it from a strickly religious event and transfer it into the realm of civil legal protections. My wife and i got married at the courthouse without all the mysticism and religious connotations so that we could get the benefits of marrage. I challange anyone to argue that because we chose to ignore the religious angle of marrage and do it as a civil function that our marrage and devotion to each other is any less than another relationship joined by a religious ceremony. When there are state sponsored benefits and rights associated with a legal contract (and make no mistake, that is what marrage is), and to decide who is elegible based upon some religious litmus test, that is discrimination and oppression. So for all of you folks who were as dissapointed with the results of the election concerning Gay Rights as i was, not to worry, keep fighting, have faith in the system, and realize that there are hetero's who will fight along side you. This is not over and it takes time, mostly for the "old guard" to die off, just like Strom Thurmon who is dead, and the world is a better place for it.

Asai

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

You also have to realize that there is no science whatsoever behind anything on the subject.

If I really wanted to take it to the next level: There isn't even science stating that they aren't just faking it to get attention.

[Asai]

You also have to realize that there is no science whatsoever behind anything on the subject.

If I really wanted to take it to the next level: There isn't even science stating that they aren't just faking it to get attention.

The same statement concerning "gay" could also be applied to religion, as there are no facts proving the correctness of one religion over another. If people applied the same skepticism towards religion as they do to say alien abductions, the world would be a better place. Driving organized religion under the rocks from whence it crawled, would be a good start. that is not to say that i do not believe in god, just not any of the pre packaged, franchised, corporatized, versions avaliable on the market today. We are all, according to the texts, made in gods own image so it is possible that even god maybe a bit bi curious, or even above all the rhetoric, gay.

Asai

[Versed]

god maybe a bit bi curious, or even above all the rhetoric, gay.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread at all since I prefer not to get into discussions like this. However, since you made this statement I feel inclined to post.

When you say "god" do you mean the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible or a different god.

I have to assume that you do mean the former since you said:

We are all, according to the texts, made in gods own image

I'm guessing that by "the texts" you do mean God of the Bible. Also, you refer to Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

If this is in fact what you refer to than you're above statement is completely ludicrous. To imply that God has an orientation of any kind is a bit illogical.

Sexual orientation is a preference of what you find physically attractive. Since the Lord is not of the flesh this couldn't be. While the logic of your statement is understandable, knowing more facts about who God is would easily put this logic to rest.

I don't want to get into a large debate about this, especially in this thread. I would like to see that people understand there is a difference between organized religion and the church (both man created) and having a personal relationship with God.

[Hell-met]

Spoiler : Religion is bullshit since day one.

[Zeitgeist]

i'll just leave this here.

[Rostov]

Spoiler : Religion is bullshit since day one.

And atheism is so much better??

[N0body]

I'll just leave this here.

[insomniaprincess]

It's important to note that "religion" by definition and "Christianity" are two separate things- meaning Christianity is one type of religion; one of many types.

Additionally, there are many types of Christianity. Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, Anglican/Episcopalian, Amish, Baptists, Lutheran, Presbyterian and Seventh-Day Adventists are all considered denominations of Christianity and each has its own unique set of beliefs and practices.

Protestant Christianity alone has hundreds, if not thousands, of different denominations under it. A 2002 study by Pew Research Council found over 53% of Americans consider themselves Protestant. There are over 500 million Protestants in the world, each of them with varying beliefs.

To clump all "Christians" or even all "religious people" together as one is ignorant.

This post isn't to debate whether or not God is real, or Christianity is true but instead to point out that assuming all people who call themselves "Christian" can be clumped into one definition of the word is naive and inaccurate.

There are many different types of Christians and one shouldn't automatically assume things about a person just because they claim to be Christian, just as you shouldn't make assumptions regarding a person who claims to be homosexual.

Not all Christians are against homosexuals. (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_chri.htm)

Not all Christians are against science. (http://www.christianity.co.nz/science.htm)

Some scientists believe God and Evolution can co-exist (http://www.livescience.com/culture/0...evolution.html)

Some Christians believe the Bible talks about dinosaurs. (http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml)

Religion (including Christianity) is man-made. (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/religion)

Judging Christianity as a whole based on the beliefs or actions of one particular Christian or denomination of Christians is biased, inaccurate and shows your closed-mindedness and ignorance on the topic.

Every individual must make his or her own choice about what to believe or not believe.

I'm not asking you to believe. I am asking you not to clump all believers into the mold you have of what Christians must be. If you want to know how a Christian feels about a specific topic (such as gay marriage), ask them.

Ask that individual alone. Don't assume that their answer applies to anyone else, regardless of religious affiliation.

We are all unique with different life experiences and individual opinions and attitudes- whether you believe in God or not.

[N0body]

I'm not lumping all religions into Christianity.

It's just the only picture I had.