how is it stupid?
it works. It vaporizes any rocketjumping opponent or scout. Those are stickies we are talking about.
All this while allowing you to shoot long-range stickies.
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how is it stupid?
it works. It vaporizes any rocketjumping opponent or scout. Those are stickies we are talking about.
All this while allowing you to shoot long-range stickies.
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assuming you don't miss the first time around, you have to take the time to lay another trap. by the time you're done someone else from the other team could have gotten up there and killed you.Originally Posted by Hell-met
that's assuming you don't miss.
also there's the fact that you'll run out of ammo pretty quickly. when you run into spawn you leave the area vulnerable.
you are not invincible there.
The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.
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also, it's not like you can aim at anything in particular very accurately through the window or the roof.
The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.
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whether or not you're invincible is not the point. It's still an exploit, an unfair advantage.
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this is a banana:
my argument has as much weight as yours.
The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.
Junior Member
I keep my lips/fingers in check around admins in game, pushing their buttons isn't exactly a good idea regardless of power abuse or not.
Newbie
You're talking about two different things here. One is the balance, and the other is the architectural design. My looking up the object in the map editor was to refute you stating it's an obvious architecture mistake left by the designers. You were stating that, because of its object type and properties, that was evidence it was an architecture mistake.
By me showing other objects with the same type and properties, and that there is no issue in putting a grenade through it, it refutes your evidence of an architecture mistake.
Yes it is. As I stated, you're trying to show evidence of it being an architectural flaw. I've shown your evidence is flawed.
I'm not in a spawn zone, though. I can do the EXACT SAME THING on the opposite side, where there's only a wall there. Here's two images of the place in question, with a bunch of objects taken out. The first one has the walls, the second doesn't:
A - this is the location of my character when I was banned. I'm clearly outside of the spawn.
B - the is the other side I do it at. And, a spot you've stated you have no issue with. As far as location properties go, it's the EXACT SAME THING as location A.
C - this is the opening where I launch stickies to hit people directly in front of the base. I'm assuming there's no issue there.
D - on the opposite end, I do the EXACT SAME THING, except instead of launching them through the hole, I simply launch them over the wall designated by "D."
E - that's the hole in question. It has no different physical properties as other architecture objects that you don't see offensive.
You stating that I'm in the spawn is WRONG - I'm clearly outside of it. You can't even angle it correctly from inside the spawn. What if I'm just tossing grenades through the normal doorway to the battlements instead of through that window? ALL of the issues that you list still happen if I'm launching stickies from location "C" to the front of the base. The only difference is what I can hit, not how protected I am. Are you stating that's not ok, either?
But that's the crux of the issue. If the power abuse isn't clear cut, then it doesn't matter if I keep my lips/fingers in check. I wasn't typing or speaking any time during the particular game, and I was doing an action that several admins have seen me do and been complacent with for months. If it's personal as I'm stating it is, what will my next action that they've been complacent for months with, that will justify a ban? As I've shown, his justification has the EXACT same issues if I simply spam grenades from the battlements. Will that earn me a ban now?
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Lots of long posts here
Newbie
Well, yeah - he's using every shred of vagueness to misconstrue. Being detailed makes that more difficult.
Dedicated Member
OK I see his point. In my mind though, it's still an unintended map feature. Maybe someone should email robin?
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