Tell me I'm not the only happy Mac user

[TheDopp]

1. ALL MICE use windows legacy drivers and I have yet to see a non-network printer that didn't.

I'm talking functions like Scanning and such. This was an example directed not only at Windows, but Linux as well.

2. Uac isn't flawless, but neither is whatever Mac is doing. I had 8 operating re-installations on macintosh products from A SINGLE VULNERABILITY in the last few weeks. (they came to me because a virus removal from a MAC GENIUS is hundreds of dollars and I still charge a flat-rate of 65$ for a format-reinstall)

Macs use the same security logic that Unix does and that Microsoft tried to copy with UAC. UAC has vulnerabilities that render it pointless. The only real threats out there to macs are trojans - users have to put their credentials in and run them. You can't protect against stupidity no matter the platform.

3. "Like I said, I'm not getting into this because (as your example showed) you're not doing like-for-like price comparisons and unwittingly choosing the high-end non-home-consumer product to compare against"

Complete and utter bullshit. These "non-home-consumer" products do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that the macintosh's hardware does AND BETTER. Actually, lets talk about consumer-end. The average "consumer" spends about 500$ on a computer. Lets see what you can get from macintosh on the consumer end:
Oh yeah, nothing. There is no consumer end for macintosh because they are all above 600$

And you went from quoting a machine that starts around $2500 to prove your point to saying that the only real computers cost $500. On both points you're a bit off. This is again why I'm not bothering with this part of the discussion - the belief that Apples are so expensive is more cultist than Apple fanboys believing everything Steve Jobs says is gospel.

"The stereotype of macs being more expensive" is still completely true. Find me a mac machine and I will prove it to you over and over.

Did you know that they charge 1900$ for 16 gigs of ram? How about 550$ for a 2-terabyte hard-drive? 450$ for three 50$ video cards? 900$ for a 24" monitor?

I agree, as does everyone, that upgrades from apple are over priced. 3rd party software from Apples site is over priced. But the same is true from Dell and other manufacturers (not nearly as badly though). And yes, their displays are nice looking, but there's a reason I have 2 24" Dell panels and it's not about looks.

All sounds reasonable if I jacked off to some pancreatic cancer patient's inane ramblings about how giant MP3 players were going to change the world.

This shit you are telling yourself is hilarious to me, though. Keep spouting recycled cultist bullshit from MacRumors so I can keep this high up.

Recycled stereotypes from the PC crowd is more like it

[jwstohr]

I think Dopp stopped running Windows at Win98. And anyone that believes Mac offers the same bang for your buck is brainwashed.

Studio 15
NEW 2010 Intel® Core™ i3-330M 2.13GHz (3M cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
320GB1 SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
4GB4 Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHz


Subtotal $649

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2.26GHz : 250GB MacBook

* 2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 2GB DDR3 memory
* 250GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
* Built-in 7-hour battery2
* Polycarbonate unibody enclosure
* $999.00


Must be that awesome SuperDrive!

[Dumb_Dog]

CONSOLE WAR!11!!! No wait...

[Biggs]

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

1.I bought an all-in-one about a week ago, plugged it into my computer, and it worked. I checked after you wrote this and it also worked on my dad's XP machine with no drivers needed whatsoever.

2.I am not off on either point and would wish that you would provide some real evidence instead of trying to just SAY that I was wrong without backing it up.

How about some "consumer grade" stuff? I take it you think imac is "consumer" stuff.

A studio one with a core2duo, 4gigs of ram, and 500gb of hard drive space costs 750$

If macintosh isn't overpriced then why does their near-identical imac machine cost 1200$ (assuming you get one without the yellow-tinted screen, the flickering screen, and all of that good stuff)

I would compare Mac Minis but nobody else was stupid enough to build a desktop computer out of latptop parts for the sake of building a laptop that isn't portable. (an honorable mention went to nettops, but they are actually energy efficient and top off at about 300$ in price, less than half of the cheapest apple computer available)

This is all assuming that you don't use aperature3, or that memory leak would inflate your page file to the point where all of your MAC ONLY software was even more useless.

3.These aren't just upgrades, they mark up every part in their computers like this.

4."Recycled stereotypes from the PC crowd is more like it"

Once again, you SAY I am wrong but offer no evidence that you aren't just a rabid fanboy, who thrives off of the labor of children and the mass poisonings of loyal thaiwanese laborers.

Must be that awesome SuperDrive!

Back in my day superdrives were called DVD burners and 8x was pathetic!

Oh wait!

You also forgot to mention that apple uses defective hard drives in macbooks

[boelter]

Macs use the same security logic that Unix does and that Microsoft tried to copy with UAC. UAC has vulnerabilities that render it pointless. The only real threats out there to macs are trojans - users have to put their credentials in and run them. You can't protect against stupidity no matter the platform.

And what Macs can do for me that PC's cant is save time.

This is fruitless (haha, pun) because your arguments against the PC also apply to the Mac. UAC's vulnerability lies on the user 99% of the time. Exactly the same way that entering credentials on OSX or *nix do. The user is always the weakest link in security. However, that wonderful unix layer you're so proud of is a vulnerability vector, especially when Apple decides to wait to patch known vulnerabilities in *nix programs. The other problem is configuration. I was excited when my CS-lab added macs this year. However, they are almost unusable because getting them to play nicely with our *nix network (which Windows is doing fine on), is apparently a pain in the ass. I can sit through beachballs and force quits, or I can move over to a Linux machine. I think the only accurate argument that can't be applied to any platform given certain scenarios (yes, even general use) is that Macs are expensive. Basically, computers are computers and people are idiots.

Oh wait, this isn't in flame bucket?

And more to the point of the topic... Steam on OSX? Hells yeah, spread the PC gaming love. Gaming on a Mac is still PC gaming.

[TheDopp]

Macs use the same security logic that Unix does and that Microsoft tried to copy with UAC. UAC has vulnerabilities that render it pointless. The only real threats out there to macs are trojans - users have to put their credentials in and run them. You can't protect against stupidity no matter the platform.

And what Macs can do for me that PC's cant is save time.

This is fruitless (haha, pun) because your arguments against the PC also apply to the Mac. UAC's vulnerability lies on the user 99% of the time. Exactly the same way that entering credentials on OSX or *nix do. The user is always the weakest link in security. However, that wonderful unix layer you're so proud of is a vulnerability vector, especially when Apple decides to wait to patch known vulnerabilities in *nix programs. The other problem is configuration. I was excited when my CS-lab added macs this year. However, they are almost unusable because getting them to play nicely with our *nix network (which Windows is doing fine on), is apparently a pain in the ass. I can sit through beachballs and force quits, or I can move over to a Linux machine. I think the only accurate argument that can't be applied to any platform given certain scenarios (yes, even general use) is that Macs are expensive. Basically, computers are computers and people are idiots.

Oh wait, this isn't in flame bucket?

And more to the point of the topic... Steam on OSX? Hells yeah, spread the PC gaming love. Gaming on a Mac is still PC gaming.

I've seen some nasty implementations of OSX on networks myself - mostly Active Directory based. But anecdotaly, I've seen SPARC workstations fail miserably in a Linux only environment - sometimes it's just the sys admin failing at their job, not the platform. I completely agree though that users are the heart of the problems, no matter the computer.

[TheDopp]

I think Dopp stopped running Windows at Win98. And anyone that believes Mac offers the same bang for your buck is brainwashed.

Studio 15
NEW 2010 Intel® Core™ i3-330M 2.13GHz (3M cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
320GB1 SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
4GB4 Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHz


Subtotal $649

------------------------------------------------------------------

2.26GHz : 250GB MacBook

* 2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 2GB DDR3 memory
* 250GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
* Built-in 7-hour battery2
* Polycarbonate unibody enclosure
* $999.00


Must be that awesome SuperDrive!

Fine, I'll bite.

Add Wireless N, a Bluetooth dongle, a battery upgrade (~5 hours standard versus the macs ~7), Roxio Easy CD Creator (covers the cost and SOME of the functionality of iLife, standard on all Macs for $20 off the sticker price of iLife), ignore the fact that it can't do multi-touch on the trackpad and remove the current automatically added coupon ($249) and the price comes out to $1083.
Add (from Apple, playing fair) 2GB more RAM, and upgrade to the 320GB hard drive and the apple machine is $1150.
I admit the i3 edges out the Macs core2duo, but rumors of a refresh to the standard and pro line are flying, and will most likely happen next quarter. So for ~$70 less right now you're getting a laptop with a better processor and an all but equal on-board video card, that weighs a pound more. That's a lot different than the ~$350 difference.

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

Fine, I'll bite.

Add Wireless N, a Bluetooth dongle, a battery upgrade (~5 hours standard versus the macs ~7), Roxio Easy CD Creator (covers the cost and SOME of the functionality of iLife, standard on all Macs for $20 off the sticker price of iLife), ignore the fact that it can't do multi-touch on the trackpad and remove the current automatically added coupon ($249) and the price comes out to $1083.

but Roxio is free with the machine, and it STILL only came up to 750$ after the wireless N and bluetooth AND battery upgrades, so whatever you are smoking you can stop it.

I even looked at that mac, and in order to match dell's free service you would have to add AppleCare and One to One. With the 2gb ram upgrade and the mini display port and mini VGA port adapters (because the studio already HAS a VGA and DVI port) we can add Bento to match the functionality of windows 98 for your file browser, and we are up to about 1800$.

[Agro]

I mentioned this on the @krtizkast twitter feed... what if the Valve/Apple cross over is just a lead in to having valve/steam games available through the apple store so that iPad get Portal?