+Rep on Profile Page

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

The blanket statement "it is not rep" is only an opinion.

No offense, but opinions aren't rep either.

If you want to rely on subjective and censored comments as evidence of trustworthiness with your money, thats fine, but that's not something that can be condoned here.

[serialjoe]

i dont know personally a combination of clean steamrep file, sourceop rep thread, and some profile rep is good, yes rep threads can be manipulated but alot less on sourceop, theres admin that watch for this crap, and they are there for a reason, for filtering the bs, and making shur honesty and law is abided here, like i said combination of things for a good rep, also being known by the community with a good attitude helps, hanging out on major servers help, when people know u and trust u its a big plus i find,

[TheDopp]

Profile and thread rep can both be manipulated.

What

Profile rep is not rep. It's fine that you're a trader that can be trusted, but your profile isn't something that supports that. Profile rep is the hallmark of scammers and sharks, as it can be faked, negative stuff deleted. The fact you don't have a rep thread that points to your real profile is a safety measure your customers are missing.

How many scammers and sharks have had actual rep threads here? Where was the safety measure then? Oh joy.

The safety measure is the mods check each (granted some may slip through) new rep thread. For a steam profile link (which we check against SR), check their IP's (because banning for alts/fakerep is just fun) and make sure the first few reps are applicable to SOP.

A SourceOP rep thread is meant only for SOP transactions. Scammers might link to them, but by having your steam account link in it keeps it from being usable when people bother to read. Profile Rep doesn't (it can be faked a lot better than the above example, unfortunately I'm too lazy to look for one, but I assume the traditional method is idlealts that scrap bank, friend all the people who trade for normal items, leave fake rep on a main idle account over the course of a few months, doing the same to other idlealts, and done).

We're not the governing authority for all things TF2, but I will say we tend to implement best practices here, which includes having a more reliable method of sale tracking than a profiles moderated comment system. It's not perfect (limited by our forum software from 1993) obviously. But its a hell of a lot better than profile rep (not agreeing to disagree on that point).

Your profile doesn't tell me how upstanding you are in the trading community - your recorded actions on community sites do (SOP mainly in this case). That can't be faked (with the ocasional exception of sharks, who eventually fuck up and support it, always), and in your case is your true rep. Point in fact, your sales thread is a better indicator of your standing than your profile.

I've proposed (sorta) a couple different solutions to the Rep issue to a few influential (and bored enough to put up with me) people in the community, and the main issue is time and coding. In the mean time, SOP rep threads are for SOP trades, for both positive and negative trade results (something no one ever really bothers to note), kept above board by the staff; profile rep is for sharks/scammers/people that don't know any better.

[reaper0268wtf]

Well.. I can still agree to disagree, even though you wont.

I have nothing but the highest respect for SOP and what you guys do for the community. I respect your opinions as well, most of the time.

TBH I knew nothing of SOP for the first several months of my trading. I guess I dont know any better. Regardless, once my hats sell Im done with TF2 trade so an SOP rep thread or profile rep won't matter anymore.

Out of curiousity, if I started a rep thread here and have my buyers and sellers post reps from past sales... do they still count?

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

Well.. I can still agree to disagree, even though you wont. :tong:

I have nothing but the highest respect for SOP and what you guys do for the community. I respect your opinions as well, most of the time.

TBH I knew nothing of SOP for the first several months of my trading. I guess I dont know any better. Regardless, once my hats sell Im done with TF2 trade so an SOP rep thread or profile rep won't matter anymore.

Out of curiousity, if I started a rep thread here and have my buyers and sellers post reps from past sales... do they still count?

As long as you still have the paypal and steam logs to prove the transactions.

[reaper0268wtf]

As long as you still have the paypal and steam logs to prove the transactions.

I have every single one.

[oiyatat]

Profile and thread rep can both be manipulated.

What

Profile rep is not rep. It's fine that you're a trader that can be trusted, but your profile isn't something that supports that. Profile rep is the hallmark of scammers and sharks, as it can be faked, negative stuff deleted. The fact you don't have a rep thread that points to your real profile is a safety measure your customers are missing.

This.

[TheVagtasticVoyage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E485xLs_lQ