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This just proves to make people not play on our servers. Terrible notion.

And the same players constantly stacking themselves on the same team, to the point of people logging off of the server is a good way of getting players to play? People are constantly pissed because of the constant stacking of teams. You get one side with DESA and DBS playing where they communicate and the 4 of 5 of them playing can dismantle the other team of 16 because the morons on there cant find their way out of spawn let alone communicate and set up a even remotely useful defense.

So you complain about players not doing their job at their class but you want useless idiots to clog up vital classes?

Do you not know how irritating it is to not be able to go outside of the battlements because a sniper has out-sniped your three shitty snipers and then their other two snipers pick people off at their own leisure?

How does having 5 snipers, 3 being useless really do the team much more good? At least you have 3 snipers being useless instead of 5 players playing sniper and now removing an extra 2 players from attacking, medic or defending. Having a max of classes is the lesser of the two evils. If someone wont move from the role because they are sucking, vote kick them off, perhaps a votechangeclass so that someone else more capable can come in and fill the role. I would sooner have 13 players out of 16 being useful than 11 out of 16 because of no class restrictions.

Now imagine four FUNGINEERS all camping the enemy sewers.

Imagine it? It already happens. You constantly have morons building right next to each other even after several people tell them not to. Of course, its impossible to get them vote kicked off. Then you add in the true griefers who will purposlly do stuff to hurt the team as in all going engineer to defend the inside of the spiral where it does the team no good.

These ideas are all fine and dandy, but this isn't a competitions server. 2fort is sandbox mode. It is a piss-easy map where your team doesn't really need to do anything because you can make up strategies as you go along and do fine. Why do you think every new useless weapon they make is golden there?

No, its not a competitive server, its meant to be for fun but how many time did you have fun where the team, is losing 14-0 because one side is so inept that they cant even come together as a team to stop a single spy let alone an entire team. Losing because of your retarded team mates is not fun, I dont see where it has ever been fun.

As for strategies, there are ones that work and ones that dont. I think they have all been discovered by now dont you? I dont think some guy setting something up in the grate or two guys doing so it going to discover something that new that still doesnt work.

ps. I have defended my base fine with sentries in the intel room. Just because it doesn't earn you as many points doesn't mean it isn't a viable strategy.

2fort =/= serious business.

Perhaps you have defended your base fine, likely because you were going against the dumbasses I had on my team, you ever think about that? There are lots of things you can do that really help your team that dont net you points, like air blasting that uber away and is a viable strategy that people just cant seem to comprehend. When you are defending your base, stopping the enemy after they have got down to the intel is not good because they have run of your base now. You need to stop them before they get down otherwise you lose. Its happened time and time again and these morons simply dont learn from their mistakes. They keep doing the same retarded crap over and over and over expecting a different outcome. Of course I am going to call them on it.

Is teamwork in Team Fortress too much to ask for? You guys used to have one of the best servers out there, when I left a little over a year ago, man.. it was all about competitive games, its the reason I joined was because I heard the server was full of really good players. Now, its like some good players are here and then the rest of from Mrs Coopers Special Education Class and they are playing on their recess. Saying a majority of the players are borderline retarded really isnt being mean, its being truthful and I am sure many will agree with me when I say that.
I am all for trying to get these 'tards in shape to at least resemble a group of player who have a clue as to what it is they should be doing, hiding near spawn as medic and not venturing out of the base isnt one of them.

Much like your father did with you all when you were kids, when you were a dumbass, he called you on it and said so, " Son, you are a dumbass, knock it off ". I do the same to the dumbasses of TF2. Some learn and have become useful players and no one who plays on the server cant say that I dont go for team first.