Jul 08, 2009, 12:28 PM
Tarquin,
Maybe if we can discuss this once again, we can finally get past this. Luckily I am a very patient person and I truly do not want anyone to feel that an injustice was served on them by me so I will try once again to explain but after this, I am done. If you fail to drop it, then so be it.
I kicked you and the other 2 individuals who refused to stop when I asked you repeatedly to stop baiting, arguing with and trying to votekick Half-Duplex. Duplex was also reprimanded with a temp ban and a private chat from me in which he apologized and agreed to stop his negative behavior. He came back after his ban and put the other 2 on mute so he wouldn't be tempted to argue with them. He even played as a team player and did not make any negative comments to the team after that point (as I had told him it would result in another, longer ban if he did).
That should have been case-closed.
You weren't kicked for insulting me. You were kicked for ignoring me asking you to stop going back and forth with Duplex. You also argued with me when I said that anyone who continued to spam votekick on Duplex would be banned for votekick abuse because the matter had already been dealt with.
The matter was dealt with privately because I prefer not to argue publicly on the servers with individuals. It causes more of a scene than necessary and interrupts the game for others.
We've already went over this several times. I also told you (as I tell everyone) that you are more than welcome to discuss it with me if you think you were treated unfairly. However, I don't know how many other ways to explain this to you.
You were kicked because you were causing a disturbance on the server and continued when I told you to stop.
I know what you're referring to when you say you didn't mean for it to be an insult and I totally understand. I didn't take that as an insult. You were repeating something that Duplex said, albeit twisting his words around to try to bait him into arguing with you, but still, that's not what you were kicked for and I was in no way offended by that comment.
You were kicked after the comment which could be why you think it was a result of the comment, so I suppose I could understand you thinking that when you first came to the forums with your complaint. However, after explaining it at least 3 times, I'm not sure what else I can do.
You seem to still (months later) be holding onto the fact that you think that's what I kicked you for when I've explained multiple times that this was NOT the reason. You seem to be an intelligent and fairly reasonable person so I'm not sure why you are so hung up on this incident and failing to understand what I've explained over and over.
I did not kick you because you repeated Duplex's comment about me. You were kicked, along with 2 others, when I repeatedly said in admin control panel (green chat, you can't miss it):
Stop arguing with Duplex
Stop baiting Duplex
Stop votekicking Duplex
I'm handling the situation, just drop it
You refused to drop it and you buddied up with the other 2 individuals that I have had multiple problems with in the past (including the previous night). Unfortunately, because you made the choice to go along with those 2 guys, you were reprimanded the same as them. If you had dropped it when you were asked, you wouldn't have had a problem at all. You expressed that Duplex was bothering you and I made sure the server knew that an admin was there handling the situation. From that point on, you should have dropped it.
The three of you were causing more of a scene than anything Duplex had done and the rest of your team was asking you all to shut up (ie. "just mute him", "get over it", "let the admin handle it", etc.)
It's like the mob theory, in a sense. The three of you ganging up on Duplex was making such a scene that it interrupted the gameplay of others. There were people on your team that actually said they had to stop playing and mute ALL 4 OF YOU. That's just ridiculous. This went on for multiple rounds and it was on the verge of causing people to want to leave the server just to not have to listen to any of you anymore.
I would not be doing my job if I allowed that type of activity to continue and ruin the game experience for the other players. You were given multiple warnings to stop (which is more than fair, IMO) and when none of you did, all of you were removed from the server.
I've shown you far more patience, kindness and understanding than I'm sure any other admins here would have. I have taken up minutes of my day to explain the situation to you so that you were have a clearer understanding on where I was coming from that night I kicked you (and only for a few minutes at that!)
However, you fail to give me even common human courtesy back. You make stabs and cracks towards me in a post about an incident that I didn't even have anything to do with and that was highly inappropriate. You express that you have a personal problem with bigotry, which I can clearly relate to and agree with and yet with this small matter with me, you refuse to budge an inch or even to listen to what I have to say. I would have though you would be more understanding than that.
You're too busy trying to prove a point or prove me wrong to see anything other than your own clouded judgment regarding the situation. I never insulted you, I never called you names and I never disrespected you in any way. I don't deserve to continue to be treated this way.
Maybe if we can discuss this once again, we can finally get past this. Luckily I am a very patient person and I truly do not want anyone to feel that an injustice was served on them by me so I will try once again to explain but after this, I am done. If you fail to drop it, then so be it.
I kicked you and the other 2 individuals who refused to stop when I asked you repeatedly to stop baiting, arguing with and trying to votekick Half-Duplex. Duplex was also reprimanded with a temp ban and a private chat from me in which he apologized and agreed to stop his negative behavior. He came back after his ban and put the other 2 on mute so he wouldn't be tempted to argue with them. He even played as a team player and did not make any negative comments to the team after that point (as I had told him it would result in another, longer ban if he did).
That should have been case-closed.
You weren't kicked for insulting me. You were kicked for ignoring me asking you to stop going back and forth with Duplex. You also argued with me when I said that anyone who continued to spam votekick on Duplex would be banned for votekick abuse because the matter had already been dealt with.
The matter was dealt with privately because I prefer not to argue publicly on the servers with individuals. It causes more of a scene than necessary and interrupts the game for others.
We've already went over this several times. I also told you (as I tell everyone) that you are more than welcome to discuss it with me if you think you were treated unfairly. However, I don't know how many other ways to explain this to you.
You were kicked because you were causing a disturbance on the server and continued when I told you to stop.
I know what you're referring to when you say you didn't mean for it to be an insult and I totally understand. I didn't take that as an insult. You were repeating something that Duplex said, albeit twisting his words around to try to bait him into arguing with you, but still, that's not what you were kicked for and I was in no way offended by that comment.
You were kicked after the comment which could be why you think it was a result of the comment, so I suppose I could understand you thinking that when you first came to the forums with your complaint. However, after explaining it at least 3 times, I'm not sure what else I can do.
You seem to still (months later) be holding onto the fact that you think that's what I kicked you for when I've explained multiple times that this was NOT the reason. You seem to be an intelligent and fairly reasonable person so I'm not sure why you are so hung up on this incident and failing to understand what I've explained over and over.
I did not kick you because you repeated Duplex's comment about me. You were kicked, along with 2 others, when I repeatedly said in admin control panel (green chat, you can't miss it):
Stop arguing with Duplex
Stop baiting Duplex
Stop votekicking Duplex
I'm handling the situation, just drop it
You refused to drop it and you buddied up with the other 2 individuals that I have had multiple problems with in the past (including the previous night). Unfortunately, because you made the choice to go along with those 2 guys, you were reprimanded the same as them. If you had dropped it when you were asked, you wouldn't have had a problem at all. You expressed that Duplex was bothering you and I made sure the server knew that an admin was there handling the situation. From that point on, you should have dropped it.
The three of you were causing more of a scene than anything Duplex had done and the rest of your team was asking you all to shut up (ie. "just mute him", "get over it", "let the admin handle it", etc.)
It's like the mob theory, in a sense. The three of you ganging up on Duplex was making such a scene that it interrupted the gameplay of others. There were people on your team that actually said they had to stop playing and mute ALL 4 OF YOU. That's just ridiculous. This went on for multiple rounds and it was on the verge of causing people to want to leave the server just to not have to listen to any of you anymore.
I would not be doing my job if I allowed that type of activity to continue and ruin the game experience for the other players. You were given multiple warnings to stop (which is more than fair, IMO) and when none of you did, all of you were removed from the server.
I've shown you far more patience, kindness and understanding than I'm sure any other admins here would have. I have taken up minutes of my day to explain the situation to you so that you were have a clearer understanding on where I was coming from that night I kicked you (and only for a few minutes at that!)
However, you fail to give me even common human courtesy back. You make stabs and cracks towards me in a post about an incident that I didn't even have anything to do with and that was highly inappropriate. You express that you have a personal problem with bigotry, which I can clearly relate to and agree with and yet with this small matter with me, you refuse to budge an inch or even to listen to what I have to say. I would have though you would be more understanding than that.
You're too busy trying to prove a point or prove me wrong to see anything other than your own clouded judgment regarding the situation. I never insulted you, I never called you names and I never disrespected you in any way. I don't deserve to continue to be treated this way.