[w4nx]

Frankly, I don't care, I am going to play on the server anyway, it's the only reason I even play TF2. What does time accumulated on the server and all of that have to do with anything? I'm not coming around here trying to start a pecker wagging contest over how long I've been here or what I've donated or any of that. I came here to voice an opinion on the topic and I did that. If I have to sit out, I have to sit out, doesn't mean I can't bring it up as a conversational point.

You've every right to voice that opinion, just as I've the same to criticize it. Spec happens, to have some sort of disdain for friendlies because of it seems silly. If that's not what you were trying to communicate previously I apologize for the misinterpretation.

The time accumulated comment was directed at Womb because a couple comments made it seem as if he did not fully understand what it's like to actually play on the server.

***Edit- Also, from the standpoint of time on the server, isn't the goal to keep new people coming in so the servers aren't stagnant? I can count on one hand the times I've stolen a kill and it was all accidental and I apologized, I've never once been vote kicked off of the server, never.

New players tend to spray and pray much more so from a veteran's point of view, no, the goal is not to keep it filled with new players, rather to simply keep the server filled with nice players in general (new and old). Don't get me wrong, fresh faces are nice, especially compared to some of the regs on there, but IMO should not be the main goal. From the server owner's point of view, TRAFFIC TRAFFIC TRAFFIC.

Butane summed up the bit about kill stealing well. If you're intentionally taking a player's kills it is most certainly griefing. Tough luck though if someone missed the second shot or had some competition in the area, they can't all be one person's kills.

Funny enough, I've not been votekicked either, or even kicked by an admin. Even tried to votekick myself a few times for fun with no luck.

***Edit #2- Fair and valid point about the friendly heavy having been able to kill you anyway, I have been vanquished

It isn't all about kills, it's about enjoyment which is why I come around in the first place. But seriously, how many times are you in a match where people are all "One more for credit" or "Got my double" or what have you?

And if you'll notice, I give all my credits away. I hate the credit system and support removing it. (sorry Deja )

In closing I'd like to note people will often ask if I'm friendly or not when I join, and sometimes I'm not completely honest when I tell them yes. Gotta keep people on their toes. :twisted: