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Prop 8 in Cali
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Let me just pipe in here and add my opinions (since I typically avoid those and stick with facts only).

There are many things I could say but I just want to focus for a minute on the discussion between Zeit and Versed.

Zeit, while many of us can understand and agree with some of the things you have said, you have missed the point that I believe Versed was trying to make.

He wasn't talking about "right-wing religious zealots in this country", he was talking about people on the SourceOP forums only. Religious or not, there are many people in video games who are against homosexuality. There are "gay-bashers" and those who make gay jokes and those who just use the term "gay" in a derogatory manner (i.e. "Yo, this map is really gay man.") and some homosexual people find this offensive. I think all of us know there is a lot of "gay hate" amongst the gaming community yet everyone here was respectful and mature towards those who even came forward as being gay or as having felt homosexual tendencies in the past )whether or not they still act on those feelings today.

Versed was pointing out that no one came to "flame" this thread with gay-bashing comments, derogatory posts or insults to homosexual people. The topics remained mostly mature and respectful but the first moment the topic strayed to religion, all that slipped away.

People have been fighting over religion since the beginning of time and I don't foresee that ending any time soon. That was not the topic here nor was it part of Versed's argument.

What you have posted does seem like an attack towards Versed, quite honestly. For example, where you quote him on saying "to clear up a misunderstanding" you go on to explain your views on religion.

Versed never questioned your views on religion in any of his posts and there was no misunderstanding between you and him regarding anything in this thread. His post was aimed towards another poster that said perhaps God is gay since we were made in His image. Versed said he doesn't believe this to be true because his understanding of God is that he has no sexual orientation because he is not a being of the flesh and that sex was created by God for humans.

Each of these posters had their opinions on their personal interpretations of God. None of that really had anything to do with you and Versed wasn't even talking to you and yet you come back with a long, angry post directed at him.

You quote his post that wasn't even directed at you and you use it as a way to vent your anger and frustration at Christianity. You have every right to share those thoughts and opinions and if doing so on this forum, this is certainly a great thread to do so.

However, I feel it would have been much better suited as a post of it's own without quoting Versed and directing your bitterness and anger towards him when he didn't do or say anything to you.

Has Versed ever persecuted you for being gay?
Has Versed ever held you back in life due to his religious beliefs?
Has Versed ever attacked you, insulted you or abused you in any way?

This isn't about respect for Christians, rights for homosexuals or determining the truth behind creation- this is about general respect for other gamers, members of SourceOP who enjoy the same game on the same servers as you.

If you're going to be like that about it, you may as well start pointing fingers at all the white people on this thread because long ago, white people used to keep blacks as slaves and there are some racist white people out there who still believe blacks are less than whites.

While we're at it, some of my ancestors were Irish. Maybe I should complain about how the Irish were persecuted when they first came to this country by the Natives. Even worse, the rest of my family were Native Americans. "All you white people stole my land! OMG!"

It's irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Versed never said that Christians haven't persecuted homosexuals. He said that no one was gay-bashing in this thread not in all history of the universe.

In a way, you did the same thing to Omega. You quoted his comment and twisted it to meet your own interpretation.

Omega said that he is Christian and that he doesn't have a problem with homosexuals but that, as he has expressed before, he believes people have a choice of whether or not to live their lives as homosexuals.

Maybe you believe that people do not have a choice and that you're either gay or not gay- no choice involved. You're both entitled to your own opinions. However, you twisted Omega's words. You made this an attack on you when it clearly wasn't.

I don't believe Omega is the type to be obscure when he's attacking you. If he was against everything you believe in, I'm quite certain he would have said exactly that. He did not, in fact, say that but you interpreted it that way.

If you are in fact, a reasonable guy as you said, then I would expect you to stop, take a deep breath and look at the whole picture before posting. Things get misunderstood enough when emotions are involved without someone taking another's words and twisting them around.

This is too expansive of a topic to cover in just a couple of forum posts but it will help people understand you better and respect your opinions more if you keep your posts centered and focused. Each of us can only be accountable for what we personally have done or said to you- not for what "our kind" or people like us may have done to you. To judge everyone that way is just as bad as the people who persecute homosexuals.
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Prop 8 in Cali - by IamTHEBOOKIE - Nov 10, 2008, 04:59 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 05:49 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Drunken F00l - Nov 10, 2008, 05:50 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 05:54 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 05:55 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 05:57 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 06:13 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 06:17 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by PhoShizzle - Nov 10, 2008, 06:18 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 06:30 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 06:37 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 06:38 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by IamTHEBOOKIE - Nov 10, 2008, 06:42 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 06:44 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 06:45 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by PhoShizzle - Nov 10, 2008, 06:45 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 06:51 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by IamTHEBOOKIE - Nov 10, 2008, 06:57 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 07:00 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by N0body - Nov 10, 2008, 07:00 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Fides - Nov 10, 2008, 07:27 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 07:30 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 08:35 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 08:35 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by N0body - Nov 10, 2008, 08:38 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 08:49 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 10, 2008, 08:55 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 10:22 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Fides - Nov 10, 2008, 10:24 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Hell-met - Nov 10, 2008, 11:36 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 10, 2008, 11:54 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Fides - Nov 11, 2008, 12:51 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by fubar28 - Nov 11, 2008, 01:45 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Drunken F00l - Nov 11, 2008, 02:29 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Gehe_fin - Nov 11, 2008, 08:40 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 11, 2008, 09:44 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by avy - Nov 11, 2008, 01:21 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Gehe_fin - Nov 11, 2008, 02:23 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by IamTHEBOOKIE - Nov 11, 2008, 05:04 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Kou - Nov 11, 2008, 05:32 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Rostov - Nov 11, 2008, 06:44 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by IamTHEBOOKIE - Nov 11, 2008, 08:35 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 11, 2008, 08:51 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by dynamo152 - Nov 11, 2008, 09:33 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Hell-met - Nov 11, 2008, 09:48 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Drunken F00l - Nov 11, 2008, 09:51 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 11, 2008, 10:07 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by N0body - Nov 11, 2008, 11:06 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Rostov - Nov 12, 2008, 04:16 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Hell-met - Nov 12, 2008, 07:01 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Asai - Nov 22, 2008, 01:06 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 22, 2008, 01:24 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Asai - Nov 22, 2008, 05:22 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Versed - Nov 22, 2008, 01:00 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Hell-met - Nov 22, 2008, 01:24 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 22, 2008, 03:28 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Rostov - Nov 22, 2008, 03:36 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by N0body - Nov 22, 2008, 03:42 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 22, 2008, 05:06 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by N0body - Nov 22, 2008, 08:05 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Versed - Nov 22, 2008, 08:37 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 22, 2008, 08:46 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 22, 2008, 09:29 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Rostov - Nov 22, 2008, 11:29 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 23, 2008, 04:56 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Kou - Nov 23, 2008, 09:34 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 23, 2008, 09:42 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Kou - Nov 23, 2008, 11:01 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 23, 2008, 12:40 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 23, 2008, 01:42 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Versed - Nov 23, 2008, 05:33 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 23, 2008, 06:24 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 23, 2008, 07:29 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 23, 2008, 08:05 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 23, 2008, 08:25 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 23, 2008, 08:31 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 23, 2008, 08:48 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Zeitgeist - Nov 23, 2008, 08:53 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 23, 2008, 09:15 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by avy - Nov 23, 2008, 09:35 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 23, 2008, 09:52 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by insomniaprincess - Nov 23, 2008, 09:57 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Biggs - Nov 23, 2008, 10:57 PM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 24, 2008, 12:35 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by N0body - Nov 24, 2008, 01:54 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by Drunken F00l - Nov 24, 2008, 01:55 AM
Prop 8 in Cali - by OmegaZero_Alpha - Nov 24, 2008, 11:31 AM

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