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The real story about TF2-TRADER - Dando_Real_ITA - Mar 20, 2012
Ziltoid_23 Wrote:MikeV Wrote:...I've gotta say though, I'm not sure how much good an shark tag will do, because the people who get sharked aren't the kind of people who check someones rep and such, thats why it happens in the first place. They don't know the unusual trading community, prices and so on, so people take advantage of that. Identifying those people to the trading community won't help the people getting sharked because they simply don't know about these things.
Probably the only real solution is to use the search tool to tell every noob the real price of their unusual. Once they know this, they can't be sharked.
Let's say there are 100 people against the sharks. If everyone pays 5 cents, they can have a common subscription.
Then, they search every hat/effect and divide the job among the 100 of them. In less than 1 day, every noob will know the real price, no one can be sharked anymore.
If the search database was private and given access to sharks only, no one would know the sharking and no one could use the tool to advise all noobs.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - anons433 - Mar 20, 2012
r2__ Wrote:Well well well..
This is what you have all been waiting for, I know a large amount of you hate blackened and this community, so this is going to be like porno to your earlobes.
A little back story into me first:
I'm an ex shark, I have been trading for about 3 months now. I found tf2-trader back before I even had an unusual, and purchased a cancer flies football helmet (oh you will be missed), just so I could stay in the server and suck up any knowledge these cool "hat masters" could give me at the time.
In this 3 months, I have been a solid regular in that server, being there for hours every day, so in that time span I have learned who is trustworthy, who is sharking and whatnot. Weeks before BLACKENEDS search came out, the admins there were talking about the search, and how glorious it is. Mudguts would always praise how he was going to get a flies sniper hat so easily, and BLACKENED would babble on about how he just got a flies snaggle for a game or two. About a week before the search actually came out, BLACKENED would instigate it by giving us some profiles of noobs with low hours, and tell us to stock up on keys + games to make sharking easier. He flat out told us that it's a shark tool, and that he wanted us to use it for such. While all of this was happening, he convinced us who didn't know that sharking was okay. He would always say that you can't get steam banned for sharking, and that the community has accepted it pretty much (which I found out was wrong, the community part).
So a few days rolls by, and his shark search comes out a little early. Yay! shark time!. So what do I do? Look up all the people with 100 or less hours on tf2 with an unusual. Hmmm, this is weird.. ALL these people with unusuals and low playing time have been added by Blaster.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/blaster210/inventory/
Not only did Blaster add every single noob, he told those noobs to block and delete anyone else adding them because they were scammers. So after blaster has sharked about 10-15 unusuals in one day, Longfellow finds out about blasters sharking, and he does the right thing and reports blaster to all the trade websites. Longfellow was able to pin him down and prove that he traded a few stranges for an unusual.
Before the reporting, BLACKENED was well aware of Blaster sharking, and even asked ME to ask blaster to give him some free stuff (in which I did, blaster gave nothing) I felt bad for BLACKENED a little since he would always cry about not having money, so I gave him a planets safe and sound, a green energy buckaroos, and 1 bud ALL FOR FREE. You would think after helping someone out like that, that they would help you in return right? Not.
Hell, even I have a 1k VISA bill to pay, with barely any money in the bank, I just felt it was the right thing to do at the time.
So fast forward a few weeks. His admin Mudguts is constantly abusing his power on the server, which I have reported to BLACKENED many times, always with the answer "I trust whatever mudguts does".
Well yesterday cut the straw, I called one of mudguts' friends a "Noob" jokingly, in which the guy lashed out and thought I legit had a problem with him. I told him it was a joke, and to drop it but he was still mad. The next day I logged on tf2, and he would join every server I went on (sending me threats, saying he can do much more than I think to me, so on). I didn't think much of it, but screencapped it anyway to show Suttles at the time (who banned him off outpost for it).
Here's the screenshots:
My internet shuts off while I'm talking to suttles about it, that's odd. I go and reset my router, my modem all the regular things when your internet cuts off. It comes back on for about 10 seconds, then internet cut off again.
I was resetting my modem every 15 seconds for about 15 minutes, it was stupid, It was pretty obvious what this guy was doing. He was messing with my connection, so what do I do? I call up my ISP and tell them exactly what's going on and ask them what is being done to my internet. They told me that my connection was being attacked with thousands of packet requests, and they had to block the attacks coming in. This was most obviously a DDOS attack from DEATHSTALKER (Mudguts' good friend, and guy who got mad at me)
So I go into the TF2-TRADER server and tell them all about what just happened, meanwhile I am saying this, the DEATHSTALKER guy is spycrabbing with the TF2-TRADER admins. I made a thread on their forums showing all the screenshots, and all the proof I had, including his outpost link which just got banned.
One of their admins was about to ban him, until Mudguts (DEATHSTALKER's friend) steps in and says "No, that's absolutely no proof, be on your way". To which I reply "If that's not proof, I am done here" in which Mudguts started crap talking me and told me to prove the DDOS with his IP (which is ridiculous).
So after that, I told mudguts he can suck my dick and to ban me off the server forever. BLACKENED, you should not confide in people who you don't care about, and admit all your sharkings to. If you were going to do that, atleast be a little loyal to the people who helped you.
With that being said, FUCK TF2-TRADER, fuck their shady ass admins, and FUCK mudguts (but don't tell him this to his face, he might DDOS you)
Sorry if any of my grammar is bad, or if I've been rambling for too long, I am just pissed off and feel that everyone needs to know about this.
More to come as I remember.[/b]
Diz, this thread is such an irony on your end. Trying to point the fingers at other people does not clear your name from all of this mess. I was a very good and old friend of yours, i always knew what you did and stood aside quiet and silent, but its enough. Time to let the monkey out of the cage. What you are doing is plain wrong.
First of all, you are not an ex=shark, you are a very active shark.
All of the unusuals you had were a product of your dirty business. You have sharked over 23 unusuals in just 1 month, you are a disgrace as a trader, not to mention that you traded with cuddletime 3 times knowing he was marked as a scammer
:
http://www.tf2items.com/item/729926165
http://www.tf2items.com/item/738079318
http://www.tf2items.com/item/738079322
You are even worse than cuddletime or any other shark i can think of. Blackened may have sharked that unusual for a $60 dollar game. But you are worse, you don't even spend money on your sharking business, you give them stranges and haunted hats, such a shame, this thread is a whole irony mate.
Here are all of the unusuals you have sharked in the past month.
Unusual sober stuntman bubbling, sharked on feb 22th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/720274743
Unusual exquisite rack smoking, sharked on 23th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/720274727
Unusual hat with no name, stormy storm, sharked on the feb 23th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/720274751
unusual killer's kabuto orbiting planets, traded for 5 stranges, sharked on feb 23th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/717233953
what he paid for it
http://www.tf2items.com/item/720392431
http://www.tf2items.com/item/720392426
http://www.tf2items.com/item/720392400
http://www.tf2items.com/item/720392435
http://www.tf2items.com/item/720392408
Unusual festive tree steaming, sharked on feb 24th(sharked using blackened's search, no tf2items.com prior history)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/724070693
Unusual worst nightmare blizzard storm traded for 2 haunted hats, sharked on february 25th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/732189685
What he paid for it
http://www.tf2items.com/item/723678404
http://www.tf2items.com/item/723678401
Unusual safe and sound planets, sharked on the feb 25th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/723360483
( Diz mentioned that this was the unusual he gave to blackened as a gift)
Unusual el jefe, stormy storm, sharked on feb 26th(using blackened's search(no prior history on tf2items))
http://www.tf2items.com/item/727103220
Unusual large luchadore smoking, sharked on feb 26th(sharked using blackeneds search, no prior history on tf2items.com)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/725986832
Unusual steaming lucky shot, sharked on feb 26th (sharked using blackened's search, no prior history on tf2items)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/725872428
Unusual big chief scorching flames, sharked on feb 26th (sharked using blackened's search, no prior history on tf2items)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/726748160'
(funny that longfelloweeds took ownership of it 2 days after without nothing in return)
Unusual capo's cappers TF logo, sharked on feb 26th(sharked using blackened's search, no prior history on tf2 items)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/726722505
(funny that as the big chief scorching, longfellow took ownership of this unusual without nothing in return. Plus longfelloweeds is a really good friend of diz, and knew he sharked, hmmmm)
Unusual team captain bubbling, sharked on feb 26th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/693277303
Unusual desert marauder stormy storm traded for regular hats and stranges, sharked on february 26th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/732189689
before diz sharked him
http://www.tf2items.com/id/nahah?time=1329123712
afterwards
http://www.tf2items.com/id/nahah/
Unusual officer's ushanka purple energy, traded for 4 haunted hats, sharked on feb 27th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/727453895
What he paid for the ushanka
http://www.tf2items.com/item/727453048
http://www.tf2items.com/item/727453047
http://www.tf2items.com/item/727453046
Unusual texas ten gallon bubbling, sharked on feb 28th (sharked using blackend's search, no prior history on tf2items.com)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/728352658
Unusual killer's kabuto circling heart, sharked on february 28th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/337454076
Seems that the unusual was not enough for diz, so he took some genuines as well, selfish bastard.
http://www.tf2items.com/item/399244905 genuine mak of the shaman
http://www.tf2items.com/item/406643415 genuine dragonborn helment
http://www.tf2items.com/item/428177565 purity fist
http://www.tf2items.com/item/313321429 planeswalker helm
http://www.tf2items.com/item/428177562 genuine nanobalaclava
Unusual prussian pickelhaube purple energy, sharked on feb 28th (sharked with blackend's search since there is no prior history on tf2items.com
http://www.tf2items.com/item/728352661
Unusual company man searing plasma, sharked on february 28th (traded for 3 stranges)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/733123735
What he paid for it
http://www.tf2items.com/item/728513386
http://www.tf2items.com/item/728513366
http://www.tf2items.com/item/728513369
Unusual texas ten gallon, cloudy moon, sharked on feb 29th (traded for 2 stranges)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/729926165
What he paid for it
http://www.tf2items.com/item/729925462
http://www.tf2items.com/item/729925518
unusual blizzard storm modest pile of hat, sharked on march 1th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/707855874
weird that somehow the noob got the modest back, then suttles took ownership of it.
Unusual exquisite rack nuts and bolts, sharked on march 4th (sharked with blackened's search, sine not prior history on tf2items.com)
http://www.tf2items.com/item/735742314
Bill's hat, sharked on march 4th
http://www.tf2items.com/item/735743251
The real story about TF2-TRADER - GIJoe - Mar 20, 2012
Well well well......someone's been busy collecting evidence to try and take a personal hit.......but hiding behind an anonymous account, really?
Quote:You are even worse than cuddletime or any other shark i can think of.
I would personally say do some research on that topic. Look behind the history of some of the people with the most unusuals in the game and you'll find a lot of them were sharked. So you'd need some evidence on your claim that he's the worst shark in tf2. (I've found people who have sharked over 50 unusuals within a few months and that wasn't even with the help of blackened's search)
Quote:First of all, you are not an ex=shark, you are a very active shark.
I think you should also rephrase that since after all this stuff regarding blackened and the other sharks as came out, Diz' own sharking seems to have stopped. (Your last piece of sharking evidence is over 2 weeks old)
I'm by no means trying to defend DIZ here......I mean he's already admitted to his sharking and links with Blackened's search.....but if you expend as much effort checking out say blaster, prodigy and even to a certain extent blackened among many others that are being brought into this whole shenanigans, you'd find that they all are as bad as each other. Just sayin~
The real story about TF2-TRADER - r2__ - Mar 20, 2012
anons433 Wrote:snip
Yes, it's true, I sharked a lot of of those items. I'm not denying it, nor do I care. I was part of blackened's shark ring, what do you expect?
Looks like blackened or blaster is mad haha.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - GIJoe - Mar 20, 2012
r2__ Wrote:anons433 Wrote:snip
Yes, it's true, I sharked a lot of of those items. I'm not denying it, nor do I care. I was part of blackened's shark ring, what do you expect?
Looks like blackened or blaster is mad haha.
Oh if only
.....I've compiled a couple of those reports myself....but there's no point going posting them like a mad man until there's something the community can do about it 
The real story about TF2-TRADER - reaper0268wtf - Mar 20, 2012
GIJoe Wrote:-snip-
I would personally say do some research on that topic. Look behind the history of some of the people with the most unusuals in the game and you'll find a lot of them were sharked. -snip-
Careful with slinging BS.
I had the most unusuals in the game and never sharked a single hat. I bought and sold several hundred. Traded half as many more.
I had a few scammed hats end up in my inventory, that I found out about after the fact. I was still a naive buyer but made right by those persons scammed simply because I had the resources to do so.
When I was hijacked, I made every effort and succeeded in getting the hats back for the persons who thought they were selling them to me for cash. Even though Valve had already given them letters saying they were shit out of luck.
Do not presume to know anything. I know several persons with many unusuals who didnt shark or scam a single one.
Not everyone is greedy. Not everyone is a thief. However, as soon as the last of my unusuals are sold, I'm done because of the thieves.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - GIJoe - Mar 20, 2012
reaper0268wtf Wrote:GIJoe Wrote:-snip-
I would personally say do some research on that topic. Look behind the history of some of the people with the most unusuals in the game and you'll find a lot of them were sharked. -snip-
Careful with slinging BS.
-snip-
Do not presume to know anything. I know several persons with many unusuals who didnt shark or scam a single one.
Not everyone is greedy. Not everyone is a thief. However, as soon as the last of my unusuals are sold, I'm done because of the thieves.
I probably phrased that wrongly.....there's been a few individuals I've been looking into lately with a lot of unusuals.....and nearly all of their unusuals at some point or another have been sharked....even before this whole Blackened scandal. I think you could probably safely assume the specific group I've been investigating into and my post wasn't a hit at all to traders like yourself who I know have been in the trading business for a long time. I mean hell I myself have got a whole collection of ghosts.
I was referring specifically in that post to these traders that no one has heard of, who pop up out of nowhere with 20 or so unusuals, where you know there haven't been any cash transactions involved.
I just found it funny that this anon guy is obviously the alt of one of the sharks, who is just trying to divert attention away from themselves.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - reaper0268wtf - Mar 20, 2012
My kids, myself, and most people I know have had their first unusual sharked away from them.
This will ALWAYS be the nature of the beast. No one can change it.
They can send a very strong message that their own communities will not tolerate it. Other than UTC, no other community has taken action that I am aware of. I applaud UTC.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - MikeV - Mar 20, 2012
reaper0268wtf Wrote:I applaud UTC.
Woot
The real story about TF2-TRADER - dronefly - Mar 20, 2012
Just a question. Has any of you people involved in the arguing actually hit puberty yet?
My opinions on this:
1 - Life isn't fair. Deal with it or go slit your wrists in the tub. No one cares about your "emotions" and what you think of other's and how they make a profit.
2 - Life still isn't fair and too bad if someone tells you to slit your wrists. Go report that person, feel good about yourself and jerk yourself to sleep over your keyboard, and then SLIT YOUR WRISTS!
3 - If you are getting enraged right about now, GO SLIT YOUR WRISTS.
4 - YOU DIDN'T SLIT YOUR WRISTS YET? WOW, YOU ARE SLOW IN THE HEAD. JUST FOR THAT, GO SLIT YOUR WRISTS!