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The real story about TF2-TRADER - Cass277 - Mar 16, 2012
r2__ Wrote:BLACKENED would instigate it by giving us some profiles of noobs with low hours, and tell us to stock up on keys + games to make sharking easier.I can distinctly remember this, I was in the server at the time. He asked someone to name any effect unusual and he'd pull up the first one with the least amount of playtime. Some guy called out vivid plasma and he managed to get a hold of a Vivid Spartan with 10 hours of playtime. He then drumrolls on the mic continuously stating that "I'M ABOUT TO POST THIS" like it's some fucking eurovision finalist contest for about 5 minutes and then openly posts the newbie's steam profile in the chat, free for all to shark (I'm not sure if anyone got it).
Also BLACKENED you have a pretty poor way with words. I think you were trying to say this:
BLACKENED Wrote:I'll summarize my opinions, but then I won't return to this thread because there is nothing else I can say to disprove that I am a piece of shit. Don't have time for the childish drama, I'm too busy grabbing Burning Ballcaps for Witcher 2.
B) DDOS? Come on, either show me the actual attack, or some information that verifies this type of thing. I mean, it's totally possible to fully document a DDOS attack and verify its origins.
C) I can assure you that when I had a discussion with Bo0m we decided to leave the "hours played" area of the shark engine intact so that it'll lure more people to line my pockets with cash. (yeah, it was totally coincidental how cuddletime joins your friends list on the day after you release the search)
E) I'll leave my post with a terribly overused "haters gonna hate" sentence because I'm clearly not in the wrong, the rest of.. well, everyone is.
Stop running away and face the music.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - OmegaZero_Alpha - Mar 16, 2012
I know I'm probably going to take some flak for trying to fact check something that's speaking out against a folk devil, but something about this really irked me and I have a few thoughts I would like to clear up.
Please note that I'm not being hostile and I'm not questioning the legitimacy of anything else in the post Nor am I attempting to defend any of the accused, the DDoS part just really seems fishy to me, and it strongly begs clarification as you're publicly accusing somebody of a federal crime.
The first thing about this is that most modern ISP's have a safe-guards such as rate-limiting and delayed binding, which make directly attacking a client within that ISP extremely difficult.
A second stage of security comes from your router. With proper ACLs (such as port filtering) a DDoS attack is nearly impossible unless you have a broadcast security fault or home server that they somehow knew about.
The third one pertains to the second one. Unless you had something akin to remote management enabled, and they had the exact port that was setup on, they would have no way to directly attack your router.
It just seems odd that somebody could perform a brute-force packet flood through a modern ISP upon a person who has no feasible target for a DoS to hit. (This comes with the understanding that you can't just send somebody billions of packets and crash their router, there has to be something receiving this packets, processing them, and authenticating them or else they would be filtered by TCP splicing)
The real story about TF2-TRADER - r2__ - Mar 16, 2012
Cass277 Wrote:r2__ Wrote:BLACKENED would instigate it by giving us some profiles of noobs with low hours, and tell us to stock up on keys + games to make sharking easier.I can distinctly remember this, I was in the server at the time. He asked someone to name any effect unusual and he'd pull up the first one with the least amount of playtime. Some guy called out vivid plasma and he managed to get a hold of a Vivid Spartan with 10 hours of playtime. He then drumrolls on the mic continuously stating that "I'M ABOUT TO POST THIS" like it's some fucking eurovision finalist contest for about 5 minutes and then openly posts the newbie's steam profile in the chat, free for all to shark (I'm not sure if anyone got it).
Also BLACKENED you have a pretty poor way with words. I think you were trying to say this:
Oh, and here's the profile....the puzzle pieces are coming together.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/StesTo/[/quote]
Also to omega alpha, any home network can be DDOSed, any 12 year old can get access to a botnet, it's not hard. Send a large amount of incoming connections to an IP and it will shut off when there is too many to handle. Sure if he is DDOSing from one IP, this would be the case, but if he has a botnet with hundreds or thousands of boxes, there is no way to stop it but to block the port or call up your ISP.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - TRUNK_SLAMCHEST - Mar 16, 2012
OmegaZero_Alpha Wrote:I know I'm probably going to take some flak for trying to fact check something that's speaking out against a folk devil, but something about this really irked me and I have a few thoughts I would like to clear up.
Please note that I'm not being hostile and I'm not questioning the legitimacy of anything else in the post Nor am I attempting to defend any of the accused, the DDoS part just really seems fishy to me, and it strongly begs clarification as you're publicly accusing somebody of a federal crime.
The first thing about this is that most modern ISP's have a safe-guards such as rate-limiting and delayed binding, which make directly attacking a client within that ISP extremely difficult.
A second stage of security comes from your router. With proper ACLs (such as port filtering) a DDoS attack is nearly impossible unless you security fault or home server that they somehow knew about.
The third one pertains to the second one. Unless you had something akin to remote management enabled, and they had the exact port that was setup on, they would have no way to directly attack your router.
It just seems odd that somebody could perform a brute-force packet flood through a modern ISP upon a person who has no feasible target for a DoS to hit. (This comes with the understanding that you can't just send somebody billions of packets and crash their router, there has to be something receiving this packets, processing them, and authenticating them or else they would be filtered by TCP splicing)
ill be the first to say i dont know anything specifically about the Ddos attacks other than what i was told, or what was posted here.
the only other information i know is that the attacks were not coming directly from deathstalker, but through a box, so anyone with a botnet could have been easily fucking with his connection.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - OmegaZero_Alpha - Mar 16, 2012
r2__ Wrote:Also to omega alpha, any home network can be DDOSed, any 12 year old can get access to a botnet, it's not hard.
That is simply not true. Any router will have functioning ACL's and Rate-limiting, so unless you have some sort of home server set up or have intentionally disabled all of the security features (which are on by default) then a DoS attack is actually quite difficult.
And that is assuming their ISP doesn't automatically K-line you.
TRUNK_SLAMCHEST Wrote:the only other information i know is that the attacks were not coming directly from deathstalker, but through a box, so the identity of any sort of attack would stay anonymous.
This is a given. I was just asking how he had access to nuke his network in the first place, or at least for some sort of packet log showing the attack.
DoS attacks are serious crimes, and I feel that part at least needs some sort of specificity.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - iC3 - Mar 16, 2012
OmegaZero_Alpha Wrote:r2__ Wrote:Also to omega alpha, any home network can be DDOSed, any 12 year old can get access to a botnet, it's not hard.
That is simply not true. Any router will have functioning ACL's and Rate-limiting, so unless you have some sort of home server set up or have intentionally disabled all of the security features (which are on by default) then a DoS attack is actually quite difficult.
And that is assuming their ISP doesn't automatically K-line you.
or a work group you can still do it. herp
The real story about TF2-TRADER - Snarf - Mar 16, 2012
He is not ddos'ing you... He doesn't even know how routers assign IP's unless he is playing dumb.
You can't ddos a router if it doesn't have remote access enabled, and even then you would need ports opened for this to work.
I don't really care about you two having your little shit throwing contest, but the idea that he could possibly ddos your router outside of a local setting.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - OmegaZero_Alpha - Mar 16, 2012
iC3 Wrote:or a work group you can still do it. herp
Actually the more clients you try and throw against a non-server network entity the more effective the existing security functions are.
Please keep in mind I'm a network technician by trade, and external security was always my forte.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - TRUNK_SLAMCHEST - Mar 16, 2012
OmegaZero_Alpha Wrote:iC3 Wrote:or a work group you can still do it. herp
Actually the more clients you try and throw against a non-server network entity the more effective the existing security functions are.
Please keep in mind I'm a network technician by trade, and external security was always my forte.
haha yea i can tell im in no position to back up the ddos attack claims so ill just stick to making sure blackened doesnt post anymore.
The real story about TF2-TRADER - Panzer - Mar 16, 2012
OmegaZero_Alpha Wrote:I know I'm probably going to take some flak for trying to fact check something that's speaking out against a folk devil, but something about this really irked me and I have a few thoughts I would like to clear up.
Please note that I'm not being hostile and I'm not questioning the legitimacy of anything else in the post Nor am I attempting to defend any of the accused, the DDoS part just really seems fishy to me, and it strongly begs clarification as you're publicly accusing somebody of a federal crime.
The first thing about this is that most modern ISP's have a safe-guards such as rate-limiting and delayed binding, which make directly attacking a client within that ISP extremely difficult.
A second stage of security comes from your router. With proper ACLs (such as port filtering) a DDoS attack is nearly impossible unless you have a broadcast security fault or home server that they somehow knew about.
The third one pertains to the second one. Unless you had something akin to remote management enabled, and they had the exact port that was setup on, they would have no way to directly attack your router.
It just seems odd that somebody could perform a brute-force packet flood through a modern ISP upon a person who has no feasible target for a DoS to hit. (This comes with the understanding that you can't just send somebody billions of packets and crash their router, there has to be something receiving this packets, processing them, and authenticating them or else they would be filtered by TCP splicing)
i lol'd tl;dr script kiddies flooding packets over the internets and first year networking students acting like they've been running the industry.
blackened is a shark we all know the story he supports sharking and his admins are foul. tf2-trader does nothing but knock the crippled market out of its wheelchar and laugh at it.