[avy]

first opinions are opinions, and that some are better then others is an opinion at best
second i want criticism, but to what i wrote, most of you criticism is unrelated to what i was trying to portray, and instead you took a much to simple meaning out of this, thats why i said this is above you, i wanted someone to criticize my logic, not there own, you digging to deep, giving my word different meaning

and avy, all you guys are saying is "no your wrong" is that not hate in it self, i only want you to understand and allow me to understand you, and your logic, so that i may better convey my ideas to you, but your comments are so stifling i can hardly find any real logic in them at all

i'm not starting a mob, i'm trying to get to know you
heres an easy example for "you people"
i say, "patriots are the best football team because they scored 24-0 against the packers last week"
you say, "your wrong"
what i want you to say, "the packers are the best team because they won the first 2 super-bowls"

Look... I've tried to go about this rationally but I think you are purposefully being dense. Most of my statements and opinions follow a resasonable logical order. I am NOT saying you are wrong. I have not said outright that any of your opinions are wrong. I have presented my opinion in contradiction to yours. Dont be misinformed and think that because you have a few thoughts that you are the only intellectual here.

Hate would be me telling you to shut the fuck up, no one cares, go barrel roll off a skyscraper. You wanted an intellectual conversation and here I am providing it. Yet, it seems like I am talking to a brick wall. I took a much too simple approach too it supposedly. You've made no valid points whatsoever as to me "hateing" you or your opinions. The whole idea and purpose behind a debate is to provide solid reasoning behind the point that you are trying to get across. You have failed in your last few posts to do so. Have you even read what I have posted? Did you see the two or three other people agree with me? The only one that seems to have a problem with them are you, the one whose opinion I am trying to discuss and understand.

most of you criticism is unrelated to what i was trying to portray

Do what? I believe that you should slow down on the gun and do more than just skim through my post looking for hotbutton or trigger words. \0=

heres an easy example for "you people"*
i say, "patriots are the best football team because they scored 24-0 against the packers last week"
you say, "your wrong"
what i want you to say, "the packers are the best team because they won the first 2 super-bowls"

That doesnt really follow any logical order at all. \0= You are inviting me to disagree with you. You state the Patriots are the best and the answer you want is for us to say the Packers are the best. Thats basically asking me to tell you that you are wrong. Your just playing word semantics. It's not a big leap from saying, "No, this team is better," to "You're wrong." You keep stating that I am reading too hard into things but here you are doing the exact same thing.

*I mean this in the nicest way possible but do not refer to me (or anyone else for that matter) in a holier-than-thou derogatory connotation when simple sentence structure, wording and just plain reasoning seem to be beyond you.