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FrostDragonfly
Dec 08, 2008, 12:23 AM
CHOOSING POOL

Sups
Fron [CoCa]
SPAM
FrosT
PARAGON
Retro
Dirk Diggler
Zalfy @ HYELP
N0body
Skoby
Recky
[QS] Bill Steed
-=pooC=- Jesse!
Darc
[B-Sacks]Leninator
WW3|Zero-Flame
OZ_A
bankai_
Weezy
Hybrid
[92b]Simo
Biology?
P0k3m0nmastr
`pr| Panzerschrek Quasi-Baka
[JamaicanBacon] supra23
[JamaiconBacon] tjxlee
Zeedoct00r



TEAM SHOTGUN-OLOGY
Team Captain - Redneck


TEAM DEADLY POST OFFICE
Team Captain - Mailman


TEAM FAT KIDS
Team Captain - Bufus
Biology



***Some others that we need to notify about tourny (let them know if u want them to join ur team)
Extra
FATT02|BallZ|
Jengerer
3h
woockie
angerfist
biorunner
aro.jimmy

OmegaZero_Alpha
Dec 08, 2008, 12:30 AM
way to exclude me from your list

FrostDragonfly
Dec 08, 2008, 01:00 AM
lol it was a copy paste of the list and u werent under goldrush.

:p

but where would u like to be placed?

OmegaZero_Alpha
Dec 08, 2008, 05:30 AM
medic, sniper or demo.

Retro
Dec 08, 2008, 09:54 AM
Go ahead and just put me under heavy, soldier, medic and scout because I'm garbage with everything else.

Redneck
Dec 08, 2008, 04:22 PM
You might put me under spy, medic, and heavy.

Sups
Dec 08, 2008, 07:13 PM
i would at the very least add

Heavy
Weezy
SPAM

Demo
SPAM
Mailman

Medic
Sups =)

FrostDragonfly
Dec 08, 2008, 07:43 PM
ah, but there are people i feel need to play certain classes cuz they're substantially better at that class.

there's a few of us that i think are pretty versatile but even so, we have our "best" classes.

we should commence voting for best classes
ill start off by naming my "best" team options

Demo - Sups / Weezy / Simo
Medic - SPAM / Recky
Soldier - ???
Scout - ???
Pyro - PARAGON / Biology?
Heavy - ???
Sniper - Zalfy @ HYELP / Mailman [KiS]
Spy - Dirk Diggler / P0k3m0nMastr
Engi - N0body

I wanna put myself down for soldier or scout, but im not sure.

JamaicanTJX
Dec 08, 2008, 08:04 PM
I vote

Demo - Sups
Medic - Recky
Soldier - Frost
Scout - ???
Pyro - PARAGON
Heavy - ???
Sniper - Mailman [KiS]
Spy - P0k3m0nMastr
Engi - N0body

FrostDragonfly
Dec 08, 2008, 08:21 PM
i think we have a lot of good choices in a lot of places
however, scout and soldier is not one of those spots where we have too many options.

anyways, last one was my recommendation
here's my vote

Demo - Sups
Medic - Recky
Soldier - FrosT
Scout -
Pyro - PARAGON
Heavy - SPAM (it just seems right, look at his name)
Spy - Dirk Diggler
Sniper - Zalfy @ HYELP (cuz he has a mic)
Engi - N0body

JamaicanTJX
Dec 08, 2008, 08:30 PM
Some one really needs to get Mailman a mic...

FrostDragonfly
Dec 08, 2008, 09:29 PM
alright screw what i said.
ill make a new team

Spy - James Bond
Scout - Jason Bourne
Medic - House M.D.
Sniper - Jack Bauer
Soldier - John Mcclane
Pyro - The Human Torch

Versed
Dec 08, 2008, 10:24 PM
I'm not on this list either, what is the world coming to?!

Kou
Dec 08, 2008, 10:26 PM
alright screw what i said.
ill make a new team

Spy - James Bond
Scout - Jason Bourne
Medic - House M.D.
Sniper - Jack Bauer
Soldier - John Mcclane
Pyro - The Human Torch

James Bond is a horrible spy, everyone knows who he is.

FrostDragonfly
Dec 09, 2008, 12:18 AM
NOT IF HE HAS A PAPER PLATE MASK ON.

FrostDragonfly
Dec 09, 2008, 12:19 AM
oh yea guys...we have too many good demomen, i wanna know what other classes u guys play effectively.

Kou
Dec 09, 2008, 12:36 AM
oh yea guys...we have too many demomen, i wanna know what other classes u guys play effectively.

Fixed that one for you.

FrostDragonfly
Dec 09, 2008, 01:08 AM
are u going to be joining us Kou?

Kou
Dec 09, 2008, 03:14 AM
are u going to be joining us Kou?

Probably not. Tourneys aren't my thing, and a recent latency issue on sourceop valve maps 1 and 2 has pretty much kept me confined to Goldrush and 2fort.

FrostDragonfly
Dec 09, 2008, 03:28 AM
lol, it isnt our thing either
i dont think any of us on that list has any competitive play history
its just for fun anyways, doesnt mean we dont wanna win though.
but as u can see, a lot of people want to participate.

valve maps #1 sound quite a bit more intense :p

bankai
Dec 09, 2008, 07:43 AM
Here's the classes I feel I'm best at Frost.

Bankai_
soldier/engi/medic

Simo
Dec 09, 2008, 08:03 AM
So we're only allowed to play 1 of each class? That's kinda gay I was hoping like 15-16 of the goldrush regulars could play on 1 team with no class limits.

Drunken F00l
Dec 09, 2008, 05:30 PM
a recent latency issue.

Have you tried recently I did a trace to your IP and a bunch of pings and everything seems OK. Let me know if not. We can get these things fixed you know :wink: .

Redneck
Dec 09, 2008, 06:13 PM
You oughta put me in as a medic.

Kou
Dec 09, 2008, 09:39 PM
a recent latency issue.

Have you tried recently I did a trace to your IP and a bunch of pings and everything seems OK. Let me know if not. We can get these things fixed you know :wink: .

I have, and it still seems to pop up. Been fighting with my ISP about it too, as they claim nothing is wrong on their end but some traceroutes show packet loss on their end.

Drunken F00l
Dec 09, 2008, 09:47 PM
It's possible it's not your ISP. I never ruled it out. If it happens during a certain time of day or while I'm on Steam or something let me know and we'll try to figure it out.

JamaicanTJX
Dec 10, 2008, 01:46 AM
Demo - Weezy
Medic - Hybrid or Redneck
Soldier - [92b]Simo?
Scout -
Pyro - Biology?
Heavy - Bufus
Spy - P0k3m0nmastr
Sniper - Mailman[KiS]
Engi -


I suppose you could put me engi there on that team. Bufus as heavy? Haha.

Does any one really know whats going on? Are we playing highlander? And on what maps?

FrostDragonfly
Dec 10, 2008, 02:42 AM
supra has a mancrush on u, he wanted to be on ur team, so im trying to figure that out too.

Sups
Dec 10, 2008, 07:44 AM
alright screw what i said.
ill make a new team

Spy - James Bond
Scout - Jason Bourne
Medic - House M.D.
Sniper - Jack Bauer
Soldier - John Mcclane
Pyro - The Human Torch

I'll match up your team with Team Metal Gear

Scout - The Fear (Alt - Raiden)
Pyro - The Fury
Soldier - The Boss (Alt - Meryl)
Demo - Raging Raven
Heavy - Vulcan Raven
Engineer - Otacon
Medic - Naomi Hunter (Alt - Rosemary)
Sniper - The End (Alt - Sniper Wolf)
Spy - Solid Snake (Alt - Naked Snake)

OmegaZero_Alpha
Dec 10, 2008, 11:55 AM
I'll match your team metal gear with team JEDI

Scout - any Vratix warrior
Pyro - Jacen Solo
Soldier - Shadow Troopers
Demo - Raging Raven
Heavy - Darth Krayt
Engineer - R2D2
Medic - Bastila Shan (alt 2-1B)
Sniper - HK-47
Spy - Darth Stryfe

FrostDragonfly
Dec 10, 2008, 12:57 PM
LOL EPIC R2D2 ENGI

James Bond sappin my R2!

JamaicanTJX
Dec 10, 2008, 08:05 PM
Haha. Put supra as Engi and me as Scout. That fool...shooot.

Bufus
Dec 11, 2008, 12:38 AM
I have played Heavy for a total of two hours...I am a MUCH better Engineer so that would be fantastic.

Mailman
Dec 11, 2008, 12:49 AM
Sups as medic would be sure victory. :D

Bufus
Dec 11, 2008, 01:36 AM
I really think the first team is wayyyy overstacked. Sups, Spam, and Zalfy? Im all for winning and everything but that is ridiculous. Also 1 player per class just seems to be a big problem. I can understand not allowing too many demos and medics, but when you are forcing players to take on classes they never play (i.e. me as Heavy) the tournament loses its fun factor (thats right, i used fun factor seriously).
I love the players on my team, but I think there should be a small mix up. Anyways, thats all from this handsome snip...er....heavy.... Damn.

trover4
Dec 11, 2008, 01:53 AM
have to agree with bufus too, except for i still think it should be highlander. But i think instead of making people play classes that they don't play you just make more teams. So true about those team creations though. Its put together as ACE team a b team and a c team as if it were all the best of a position (on these servers) on one team vs the second best on another vs the third best on another. It needs mixed up a good bit more. Maybe even do the old "FatKid" way where you assign team captains. and go around picking players out of a group for their respective positions. That way you still get good players, but the teams aren't stacked. There are other ways of course.

FrostDragonfly
Dec 11, 2008, 02:19 AM
yea honestly im not sure how we wanted to pick teams.


team captains would be good, anyone who feels like being team captain, go for it?
3 of u guys start being team captains, and take turns picking a person for ur team and position.


but when we do play the other servers, i would like to have an "optimal" team setup.


so maybe teams to practice against each other, then a "server" team?

JamaicanTJX
Dec 11, 2008, 02:50 AM
I think we should have a "best of goldrush team," but from there on down it should be whoever wants to play play whatever you dont mind playing. Come on we're all goldrushers here. Get a group of people who enjoy playing together and go from there. At that rate its not so much about winning but having "competitive" fun.

Mailman
Dec 11, 2008, 03:37 AM
I'll throw up an idea that sort of blends some of the ones already suggested. What my clan used to do, since we had a large group of members, was split our active squad into two teams (red & blue). The teams were divided so that all members agreed that the skill level was balanced on each side (what we're trying to do here). Each week, the two squads would hold a scrimmage against each other; the winning squad got to play in the league match representing our team. It was a fair method that all our members accepted; everyone had an equal opportunity of being the "Gold" team for the week.

Also, I'm still confused on the tournament structure, but as far as teams are concerned, I believe we should continue doing what Frost has set forth. Let's continue dividing the server up as best as possible so that most, if not all, can agree on the skill balance and fairness of each team.

If we do want to have an "Optimal" team represent the Gold Rush Server, have each GR team scrimmage against each other. Whichever GR team wins is essentially the "Optimal" team for the GR server.

Personally, I don't mind if I'm on the A team or the C team, but I'm worried that there may be some participants or regulars that are concerned if they make the cut for the "Gold" team. What made a lot of members unhappy in my clan (and a few quit), was when we ultimately made a set-"Gold" squad.

Like I said, just an idea.

:)

Redneck
Dec 11, 2008, 05:54 AM
I like those ideas, Mailman. Last night we had a somewhat stacked team with Sups, SPAM, and a few others, and lost a few times to a not-as-stacked (or so I thought) team with Biology, Frost and some others!

FrostDragonfly
Dec 11, 2008, 12:10 PM
Mailman's idea is really good
i think thats probably one of the better ideas.

maybe it would be good also to mix up the teams a couple times, to see what the best results would be.
cuz so far it only proves that the most skillful players dont always make the most skillful team
...or if that team doesnt have frost on it, u lose automatically


Redneck Mailman TJ
the three of u are team captains, basically cuz ur the only ones checking the forum lol.

Redneck picks first, Mailman, then TJ

Mailman
Dec 11, 2008, 12:24 PM
Should we nominate a time to get together in a chat room, such as the group one, to pick teams?

FrostDragonfly
Dec 11, 2008, 01:13 PM
do it now, check the forum often, read the edited 1st post.

Bufus
Dec 11, 2008, 03:18 PM
I absolutely agree with Mailman, that's a great idea. And I also like this Team Captains idea....though with people like Sups, Spam, Weezy, and all you folks, I predict Bufus being the "Fat Kid."

Retro
Dec 11, 2008, 04:48 PM
You shoot me in the face too much to be the fat kid no one picks

Redneck
Dec 11, 2008, 06:32 PM
Do we pick one at a time like a draft, or all 6 or 9 players at once?

Zeitgeist
Dec 11, 2008, 06:34 PM
if i can go ahead and direct everyone in this thread to click here. (http://sourceop.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1203)

DF has solidified some of the rules

trover4
Dec 11, 2008, 06:40 PM
not that i have anything to do with it, but it would have to be like a draft otherwise a bunch of people would pick the same members. we used to do the selections by class like. First round picks are your demoman,then second round would be another class and so on. then after that you pick free agents (stand-ins that are welcome to play any class given someone doesn't show up)

Redneck
Dec 11, 2008, 06:47 PM
Ok, round 1...

Bufus

Bufus
Dec 11, 2008, 06:49 PM
Hmm...

biology
Dec 11, 2008, 07:32 PM
TEAM FAT KIDS
Team Captain - Bufus



hey hey hey Bufus is a very attractive young man and any of us would be happy to be half as good looking as that foxy devil of a man that Bufus is.

Bufus
Dec 11, 2008, 08:34 PM
Biology you charmer :oops:

JamaicanTJX
Dec 11, 2008, 10:52 PM
DAMNIT I WANTED BUFUS!

(pure moral support. talent is less then adequate)

Also am I not captaining any more? Bufus replaced me which I really don't mind.

FrostDragonfly
Dec 11, 2008, 11:18 PM
we're putting off team selections til when team sizes and registration is closed.

but honestly, bufus was being a jerk about being the non picked FAT KID
now he's captain of a fat kid team


on a side note
fat kids are amazing at dodgeball.

Bufus
Dec 11, 2008, 11:22 PM
And they are easy to bully, cause you can run and they wont catch you. And that is what Team Fat Kid is all about.

JamaicanTJX
Dec 11, 2008, 11:25 PM
Fat kids are harder to kidnap. Is that what Team Fat Kid is about as well?

insomniaprincess
Dec 11, 2008, 11:27 PM
hey hey hey Bufus is a very attractive young man and any of us would be happy to be half as good looking as that foxy devil of a man that Bufus is.

ahaha excellent first post Biology :wink:

FrostDragonfly
Dec 11, 2008, 11:34 PM
but if u come across a sneaky fat kid
gg.


lol, also in 16 yrs, that same fat kid is gonna be squatting like 250+

trover4
Dec 12, 2008, 02:43 AM
ive created a monster

insomniaprincess
Dec 12, 2008, 12:44 PM
but if u come across a sneaky fat kid
gg.


lol, also in 16 yrs, that same fat kid is gonna be squatting like 250+

Is this like when the Heavy creeps up behind you and then KGBs you in the face?

"nommm-nommm-nommm"

FrostDragonfly
Dec 12, 2008, 03:40 PM
hahahaha totally.

Sups
Dec 13, 2008, 02:42 AM
team fat kids should be team canada and should automatically get all canadians

Sups
Dec 13, 2008, 08:15 AM
I'll throw up an idea that sort of blends some of the ones already suggested. What my clan used to do, since we had a large group of members, was split our active squad into two teams (red & blue). The teams were divided so that all members agreed that the skill level was balanced on each side (what we're trying to do here). Each week, the two squads would hold a scrimmage against each other; the winning squad got to play in the league match representing our team. It was a fair method that all our members accepted; everyone had an equal opportunity of being the "Gold" team for the week.

Also, I'm still confused on the tournament structure, but as far as teams are concerned, I believe we should continue doing what Frost has set forth. Let's continue dividing the server up as best as possible so that most, if not all, can agree on the skill balance and fairness of each team.

If we do want to have an "Optimal" team represent the Gold Rush Server, have each GR team scrimmage against each other. Whichever GR team wins is essentially the "Optimal" team for the GR server.

Personally, I don't mind if I'm on the A team or the C team, but I'm worried that there may be some participants or regulars that are concerned if they make the cut for the "Gold" team. What made a lot of members unhappy in my clan (and a few quit), was when we ultimately made a set-"Gold" squad.

Like I said, just an idea.

:)

Though I agree with your idea with the scrimmage and the whole result of doing the "gold" team; I wouldnt say that doing the teams in a random draft method would really result in an optimal team. In the 90's, the Bulls were a powerhouse in the NBA, but they were exactly the "dream" team. Thats why you had the dream team in the olympics and the all star games every year. If you seen my other threads, you should know, or at least what I was trying to make a point of, was that I did not want to exclude any of the regulars and did not like how the tournament was going to a more competitive feel.

The whole draft thing seems fun, and I think it would be nice to change up the teams again later on with a new draft so we can all hopefully play with the other group. But I would say this, if people are also all for a "dream" team scenario, I am also all for it and support the players in it. And though I have been placed in that type of team by a few posts earlier is not why I would support it since I been really off my game the last week or so, therefore I'm not even sure if I even deserve a spot right now.

JamaicanTJX
Dec 13, 2008, 12:07 PM
I been really off my game the last week or so, therefore I'm not even sure if I even deserve a spot right now.

Haha. Keep in mind that you on your "off days" still rack in twice as many points as the rest of us. 8O

OmegaZero_Alpha
Dec 13, 2008, 12:44 PM
okay, I played with sups and he is no better than Duplex or Hell-met.

Why are all of these people hanging off his dick?

Mailman
Dec 13, 2008, 01:08 PM
I agree, Sups. I don't believe a systematic draft would result in an optimal, all-star team either. But since we have so many participants of varying skill levels, and since this is supposed to be a public, fun tournament, I figured this method would be one way of allowing every participant an equal chance of representing the server.

Alternatively, if we just want to focus on beating the other servers, once we know the player limit, people can just independently pick and create their own teams (non-draft style) and then we scrimmage from there. For example: Frost quickly messages Sups, Spam, etc. and they all agree to be on his team - and that's one Gold Rush server team. Obviously, that team is likely to be composed of all the top players, so the other Gold Rush teams would be at a disadvantage, and I doubt they'd have as much enthusiasm about participating if they know they're ultimately going to lose.

Mailman
Dec 13, 2008, 01:28 PM
okay, I played with sups and he is no better than Duplex or Hell-met.

Why are all of these people hanging off his dick?

Look how cute his dog is!

FrostDragonfly
Dec 13, 2008, 02:01 PM
yea, this tourney is supposed to be more fun than it is competitive

but for some reason there's a real serious tone about it.

WATCH OUT FOR TAUNT KILLS BTW.

trover4
Dec 13, 2008, 06:34 PM
i didn't think the purpose was to make a "dream team" because that is the exact reason i suggest the "fatkid" method was because it was going to be all the top players on sourceOP to the really good players, then the decent players. where the games are clearly seeded. Like you can say whatever about the dream team if you think your going to be on it, but i have no desire to participate in a competition that im going to be purely c team that has almost no chance of winning, thats just going to get absolutly obliterated. Thats dumb, the reason the draft is done the way it is in sports is to try to keep teams balanced. It does work, and since we are only doing one tournament, its not like there is one organized team that can buy out every great player from other team. (NO YANKEES!). Again if the tournament is going to be the SourceOP "Dream Team" from goldrush vs SourceOP "Dream Team" from Valve Maps #1. then i have no desire to compete against either squad without having the rest of my clan there that doesn't ever play on sourceOP. I know i might get the typical troll response of "IF YOU DON'T WANT TO COMPETE THEN DON'T COMPETE" but im just voicing my opinion on the matter and i couldn't be the only person that feels this way.

OmegaZero_Alpha
Dec 13, 2008, 06:36 PM
typical troll response

inb4hellmet

trover4
Dec 13, 2008, 06:40 PM
your quick OZ_A

it amazed me to find that on such a small forum that has less than 30 truly active posters that so much trolling would happen.

Spoiled by somethingawful i suppose

insomniaprincess
Dec 13, 2008, 06:48 PM
Trover,

That is not the way the tournament is going to be. Also, if it was Goldrush vs. Valve Maps 1... that leaves a lot of people out. There are more than just those two SourceOP servers.

For the official word on the tourney see this thread:

http://www.sourceop.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1203

When the time comes, there will be a registration page on the website here.

That is the only thing you should take as "official" info at this time. Everything else is just various people sharing their thoughts, ideas and opinions.

EDIT: I see you've already seen the above thread but everything else I said still stands. :p

trover4
Dec 13, 2008, 06:53 PM
i was aware of that, i was just voicing my opinion on the matter of dream team vs dream team. im aware that there are other servers, but the only ones ive seen entered were goldrush, valvemaps 1 and 2 which i didn't even see having 9 players yet. Just stating that i think its a bad idea and giving reasons to support my thoughts. while im sure there are plenty of reasons on the other side of the argument as well. im just curious to hear.

insomniaprincess
Dec 13, 2008, 06:56 PM
As I said...


That is not the way the tournament is going to be.

OmegaZero_Alpha
Dec 13, 2008, 07:24 PM
somethingawful

I don't know how you could be spoiled by something awful, unless you are talking about back when they were... you know... funny.

trover4
Dec 13, 2008, 07:26 PM
i haven't been active in a forum in several years, but my last one was something awful that was basically troll free due to the $10 cost and the immediate removal of all troll posts. Thats what i meant spoiled by something awful, i have seen some of the recent stuff on there and its not as funny as they seem to think it is so i'll agree with you there, but some of the stuff in their archives is still as great as i remember

edit: i would also like to apologize for the thread jack as this couldn't possibly be any further off topic

OmegaZero_Alpha
Dec 13, 2008, 07:31 PM
I went straight from IRC to 4chan, which is why I can say that we don't really have much trolling here. There is really just me and Hell-met, in which the latter isn't really a troll, just somebody who likes to make up stuff loosely based on what you said and whine about it.

I troll, but in a less-obnoxious way, and I actually know where and when it is called-for.

trover4
Dec 13, 2008, 07:48 PM
well to be fair those are extreme cases of trollage. i went from random graphic design board to computer programming board to RunUO (the most troll filled board of all time im 100% convinced) to somethingawful. and its just been awhile since ive had someone going around searching for an argument while taking everything i type completely out of context. Although im done from this side as i need no more enemies and this thread should probably get back to the topic on hand.

OmegaZero_Alpha
Dec 13, 2008, 07:51 PM
Yes, we all need more people who care about the topic... I don't

honestly, though, I would rather have a draft/random system than a big steamroller rapefest.

Retro
Dec 17, 2008, 12:59 PM
So when are the captains going to pick their players?

FrostDragonfly
Dec 17, 2008, 02:58 PM
when polls close on team size
and DF puts up team sign ups

which should be soon i believe.

Drunken F00l
Dec 18, 2008, 03:17 AM
Ya, I'm still working on the team registration page.

biology
Dec 18, 2008, 10:15 PM
i DO NOT WANT be on Bufus teams hes a big dodo head

JamaicanTJX
Dec 18, 2008, 11:26 PM
i DO NOT WANT be on Bufus teams hes a big dodo head

dude i thought u idolized him...always calling him "lord bufus"

what happened lil buddy?

biology
Dec 19, 2008, 01:14 AM
he broke my heart with lies................................. so many lies

FrostDragonfly
Dec 19, 2008, 03:12 AM
did it go something like this?

DONT WORRY JUST RUN OUT ILL UBER U'

...cuz if it was, its not my fault.