[OmegaZero_Alpha]

depend on the application, for an all-out MP3-player go for the Zen Vision, for a mid-line go for the one that he just pointed out, for a good compact (if you work construction or somewhere where it is in danger) go for the Zen Stone... or find a cheap 20$ one on Ebay...

[larz]

ill just stick with my psp 8)