Feb 04, 2009, 04:43 PM
Hey there, I'm new to these forums and fairly new to TF2 and the SourceOP servers. I picked up the Orange Box last November and have been playing pretty steadily in TF2 since then. I play almost exclusively on the ctf2fort_instantrespawn server and I'm usually able to play an hour or two per day.
In the past month or so I've really enjoyed being a sniper and have gotten 'decent' I think. I just about play sniper whenever I can unless we need to clear the bridge then I'll usually go soldier. I've seen some good snipers and some not so good as I've been learning and then I've seen some amazing ones as well. Now I know there are aimbots out there that are not allowed and as I was learning the art of sniping I didn't try to decipher if someone was using an aimbot or not simply because I didn't know what they were all about. But as I've gotten better at sniping (in my mind anyways) I've really been wondering sometimes about certain folks and whether they are using an aimbot or not.
Here's an example. Last night I was sniping away and a player comes on the other team and starts sniping my team. I start to pay attention to whether or not he's getting any body shots because a body shot tells me he's probably not using an aimbot because from what I've heard aimbots always go to the head. Ok, so, from this guy, all I see is headshot after headshot without a single body shot that I could tell. So, I even mentioned in chat: 'That guy really needs to turn off his aimbot. I haven't seen him get a single body shot yet' (I almost never say anything in chat but this guy felt too good to me). Drunken Fool was there and commented that doesn't mean he's hacking and then proceeded to show me what he meant by getting headshot after headshot; and I'm pretty confident DF is no hacker.
So, I can accept that: no body shots doesn't necessarily mean hacking.
But what really gets me about this whole issue is I'll see people (like this guy) be jumping around like a freaking rogue in WoW and in a split second he's scoped and headshotted someone. I mean all in the blink of an eye; and he does it EVERY time. Jump, jump, jump, scope, headshot. EVERY time. When I watched Drunken Fool he would jump around scope up and get a headshot but there was always the feeling that he was aiming after he scoped if you know what I'm trying to say. There felt like a delay. It was more like jump, run, jump, scope, aim, fire. I can understand that; it's the mark of a really good sniper. But when you jump,run,run,dodge,scope,headshot EVERY time I have a really hard time buying it.
Another example is I've been looking through the stats pages here and I see some guy (who I see all the time on the server) has a 71% headshot per kill ratio where his numbers are at 1,109 headshots out of 1,562 total kills on ctf2fort. How is that possible? And of course I can't tell if the remainder of the 1562 total kills are from body shots or from being another class.
So, am I off base here? I know my reflexes aren't what they used to be (I'm 36) but it just seems godlike for a person to fire that quickly and get headshots everytime.
So, two questions (and I'm sorry for the long post):
1) Is someone like this possibly aimbotting and is it bad etiquette to call him on it?
2) If he's not aimbotting how the heck does he do it. Can someone give me some pointers if they can?
Thanks for the input. I don't want to come across as accusatory in the future so I want to get the low down on how this all works.
Charvel1
In the past month or so I've really enjoyed being a sniper and have gotten 'decent' I think. I just about play sniper whenever I can unless we need to clear the bridge then I'll usually go soldier. I've seen some good snipers and some not so good as I've been learning and then I've seen some amazing ones as well. Now I know there are aimbots out there that are not allowed and as I was learning the art of sniping I didn't try to decipher if someone was using an aimbot or not simply because I didn't know what they were all about. But as I've gotten better at sniping (in my mind anyways) I've really been wondering sometimes about certain folks and whether they are using an aimbot or not.
Here's an example. Last night I was sniping away and a player comes on the other team and starts sniping my team. I start to pay attention to whether or not he's getting any body shots because a body shot tells me he's probably not using an aimbot because from what I've heard aimbots always go to the head. Ok, so, from this guy, all I see is headshot after headshot without a single body shot that I could tell. So, I even mentioned in chat: 'That guy really needs to turn off his aimbot. I haven't seen him get a single body shot yet' (I almost never say anything in chat but this guy felt too good to me). Drunken Fool was there and commented that doesn't mean he's hacking and then proceeded to show me what he meant by getting headshot after headshot; and I'm pretty confident DF is no hacker.

But what really gets me about this whole issue is I'll see people (like this guy) be jumping around like a freaking rogue in WoW and in a split second he's scoped and headshotted someone. I mean all in the blink of an eye; and he does it EVERY time. Jump, jump, jump, scope, headshot. EVERY time. When I watched Drunken Fool he would jump around scope up and get a headshot but there was always the feeling that he was aiming after he scoped if you know what I'm trying to say. There felt like a delay. It was more like jump, run, jump, scope, aim, fire. I can understand that; it's the mark of a really good sniper. But when you jump,run,run,dodge,scope,headshot EVERY time I have a really hard time buying it.
Another example is I've been looking through the stats pages here and I see some guy (who I see all the time on the server) has a 71% headshot per kill ratio where his numbers are at 1,109 headshots out of 1,562 total kills on ctf2fort. How is that possible? And of course I can't tell if the remainder of the 1562 total kills are from body shots or from being another class.
So, am I off base here? I know my reflexes aren't what they used to be (I'm 36) but it just seems godlike for a person to fire that quickly and get headshots everytime.
So, two questions (and I'm sorry for the long post):
1) Is someone like this possibly aimbotting and is it bad etiquette to call him on it?
2) If he's not aimbotting how the heck does he do it. Can someone give me some pointers if they can?
Thanks for the input. I don't want to come across as accusatory in the future so I want to get the low down on how this all works.
Charvel1