Apr 23, 2012, 04:54 AM
I haven't been paying much attention to this thread since planting the seed initially, but having come back into it, I have the following things to say:
1. SourceOP admins, please stop dancing around this wispy definition of what is and what is not sharking. It's not the definition of the word that matters, it's the principle of it. Teeird and the others against whom solid evidence has been accumulated should be banned for their shitty, greedy, deceptive behavior. Please note that I am not against profit; I have made a great deal of profit since my first hat. What I despise, what makes me want to quit all this is the absence of integrity and decency in so many individuals. Make an example of the ones we already know are jackasses. It can't do any harm, even if others fail to recognize that these actions have consequences. You're still taking these people out of the birthplace of TF2 trading, which is a benefit to all of us.
2. A "reverse trade" button would be an absolute and utter failure, and Valve has not the time nor interest to start policing what boils down to "bad trades." I'm 100% sure they already decline dozens if not hundreds of support tickets per day for reasons like this. It's not something they willfully care about, which you can understand if you examine it from their perspective. The responsibility to make the community better is on our shoulders; we, the community admins, need to take measures to discourage dishonest and malicious behavior. We can't eradicate it, because, well... let's face it, people are going to be shitheads no matter what we do, but we can at least put a significant dent in it.
3. On the topic of whether this hat was sharked or not? Of course it was. The fact that you're browsing this forum and posting in this thread means you know this hat has an intrinsic value well above three earbuds. Sluggy knew that when he traded for it. The only person who did not know that is the original owner. You can't expect every single person to be proactive about researching values, either. Hell, I'd wager that a significant portion of the TF2 community at large doesn't even realize their stuff is "worth" real money. So when someone comes to them saying, "I'll give you $25 or a steam game for that hat!" a lot of people will say, "Golly, that sounds like a great deal! That key cost me $2.50!" The fact of the matter is, they would almost always choose the larger cash sum of what their hat is actually worth, if given that information upon unboxing.
4. Fuck you, Teeird.
1. SourceOP admins, please stop dancing around this wispy definition of what is and what is not sharking. It's not the definition of the word that matters, it's the principle of it. Teeird and the others against whom solid evidence has been accumulated should be banned for their shitty, greedy, deceptive behavior. Please note that I am not against profit; I have made a great deal of profit since my first hat. What I despise, what makes me want to quit all this is the absence of integrity and decency in so many individuals. Make an example of the ones we already know are jackasses. It can't do any harm, even if others fail to recognize that these actions have consequences. You're still taking these people out of the birthplace of TF2 trading, which is a benefit to all of us.
2. A "reverse trade" button would be an absolute and utter failure, and Valve has not the time nor interest to start policing what boils down to "bad trades." I'm 100% sure they already decline dozens if not hundreds of support tickets per day for reasons like this. It's not something they willfully care about, which you can understand if you examine it from their perspective. The responsibility to make the community better is on our shoulders; we, the community admins, need to take measures to discourage dishonest and malicious behavior. We can't eradicate it, because, well... let's face it, people are going to be shitheads no matter what we do, but we can at least put a significant dent in it.
3. On the topic of whether this hat was sharked or not? Of course it was. The fact that you're browsing this forum and posting in this thread means you know this hat has an intrinsic value well above three earbuds. Sluggy knew that when he traded for it. The only person who did not know that is the original owner. You can't expect every single person to be proactive about researching values, either. Hell, I'd wager that a significant portion of the TF2 community at large doesn't even realize their stuff is "worth" real money. So when someone comes to them saying, "I'll give you $25 or a steam game for that hat!" a lot of people will say, "Golly, that sounds like a great deal! That key cost me $2.50!" The fact of the matter is, they would almost always choose the larger cash sum of what their hat is actually worth, if given that information upon unboxing.
4. Fuck you, Teeird.