[Graeme]

You guys know steve didint "Invent" most apple products right?

[beefntators]

You guys know steve didint "Invent" most apple products right?

Make money and it's okay

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

Sometimes you gotta be a dick to get results...look at the comparison between Apple and Microsoft now differing from 10-15 yrs ago. Jobs made Gates his teabagging whore ever since the ipod came out.

Oh yeah. 10% market share. That's completely humiliating for Microsoft. I wouldn't want to be Microsoft with their shitty 80%+ market share.

Seriously though. 10% market share is pathetic for a company that old, and it doesn't show that they're improving it shows that they're desperately clinging to a market they can't compete in. That old "APPLES ARE BETTER AT ART AND DESIGN" myth hasn't been true in ages since Adobe conquered the market and it became apparent that Windows has way better performance at the same tasks.

In fact apple doesn't boast a market share over 20% in ANY product they make, save for maybe portable music players which is a market you can't really measure anyway.

[sirus]

I don't own any Apple computer products omega so I care less about the art inclusive and proprietary shit Apple puts out for the that industry or the 80% MS owns. My thoughts are from the shareholder view on the fact that Apple stock sells at 14 times higher than MS right now in the NAS market (370+ to 27) and that is what it basically boils down to in the end.

10 years ago when i was buying stock in Apple it was worth a penance of 9 a share for the 500 I bought and at the same time MS was working with near 30 a share or so (which hasn't changed in 10 fucking years).

Also, if you don't believe Job's death is incliment to how Apple performs look how far down Apple has dropped in the last hour or so. Take it or leave it the man made Apple regardless if he didn't design/invent everything and yes becaue of that he made gates AND MS his bitch.

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

So you're one of those people who think that because a share is worth more than it's a better company?

Or he somehow made a company his bitch when his own is still worth significantly less than all of its competitors?

You know that Gates retired like ten years ago owning more money in personal assets than the entire apple corporation controls, right?

If you want to compare the two's achievements then Gates will come out ahead on all fronts. Microsoft became a software monopoly under his control, whilst being one of the most philanthropic companies in the US. If anything the biggest accomplishment Jobs ever had was being compared to him.

[sirus]

I don't care about their networth I care about mine and on that statistic Apple made me rich when I retire and MS hasn't.

Also, where are you getting your statistics on how much Gates owns and is worth compared to how much Apple is worth in a whole market value? I'd like to know as I believe most of Gates assets are liquidated and I am pretty sure he bought stock in Apple as well LOL.

And on your comment of "So you're one of those people who think that because a share is worth more than it's a better company?"

Yes, they are the better company for now as their innovation and ability to pursue outside a stale market has made them a more recognizable company in today's market. Who's to say MS moves back on top of them in the future? For now it isn't looking so good.


By the way here's a good site for market capitalization:
http://www.icmama.net/apples-stock-price...oogle.html

"At press time, Google gained 1.31%, market capitalization of $ 178.7 billion, Microsoft rose 0.33%, market capitalization of $ 230.2 billion, market value of the sum of the two companies $ 408.9 billion. Apple market value of $ 390.9 billion, close to the two giants Google and Microsoft, the market value of the sum."

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

So you're basically judging a companies success by the face value of every individual stock instead of any of the REAL definitions of success?

And re-branding other people's products and calling it innovation isn't innovation, no matter what PR tells you.

The fact of the matter is that all of apple's products are inferior to their competition, they hold little to no market share in anything but the MP3 player market which is fading fast to smartphones (which is greatly important if you're talking from an investment standpoint) and dieing with a tenth of somebodies money is hardly making them your bitch.

Also last fiscal year Gates had around 70 billion dollars and Apple Corporation had around 63. It's changed now so that Apple is sitting around 72 and gates is at 68. But this is still an individual with more personal assets than most of the company. Steve Jobs died with around 7 billion dollars.

Stock figures aren't exactly interesting to me because stocks are a worse long-term investment right now than instant lottery.

[WombRaider]

people go nuts over apple because they're so in love with shiny products that have quirky names that they never realize that the cool new innovations that come out for any apple product have already been on the market for at least a year

but apple dos it better.... right? (no)

[sirus]

You do not read my posts do you omega all of this shit you are re-stating is already stuff i have applied an answer for. Apple > MS right now in today's market and Steve Jobs regardless of what anyone says was the face everyone put to the Apple name.

Gates and MS hasn't been relevant in 10+ years and their niche stale market and inability to provide better products outside of that market is killing them.

Also why are you going of FY assets? I am talking whole market value. Are you trying to compare assets of the shares or assets of the companies profit/sales in comparison with it's expenditures?

If so you cannot compare that with a person lol

Please stop while you think you are ahead omega and accept the fact that in today's eyes people don't talk about Microsoft as much as they do Apple and I think that makes you mad.

[sirus]

The only thing Apple needs to do now to bring up their shares past 500+ is let Google run their Android system on their phones and then I can kiss this shitty job goodbye and say hello to retirement early. Thats their only fault with that proprietary bs they pull each time.