[Snarf]

If I get my bike a new seat I still have a warranty.

[DataStorm]

meh, maybe they should stop making the hardware. And concentrate more on the OS to be usable everywhere.... its not like their computers are real winners in performance.

and for the bike analogy's
Mac bike:



PC bike:

[supercommierussian]

Mac is BSD based. (That's what I've learned in Unix 101 class, CUNY, years ago) So it's like you gonna get Linux, fix it up and sell it like yours.

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

meh, maybe they should stop making the hardware. And concentrate more on the OS to be usable everywhere.... its not like their computers are real winners in performance.

They DID stop making hardware. They just re-brand other people's hardware and sell it as their own now.



WHAT A BARGAIN!

[TheDopp]

Clearing some misconceptions:
1. Mac Pro's are shit, people who are mac fans know they're shit, Apple won't admit their shit but treat them as shit.
2. You can upgrade your macs (when the hardware isn't integrated) without voiding your warranty. This includes RAM, HDD, etc.
3. BSD != Linux. One is Unix, one is Unix like. And Apple regularly gives back to the OSS community, so they're not complete dicks.
4. Support your local geek shop all you want. But in the world of big box manufacturers you need certification for each company to repair it under warranty and get parts RMA'd under that warranty (granted the certifications are stupid easy). This goes for Apple as well as Dell, HP, etc.
4.a. If you realize that the parts you're buying are the same as you can buy from somewhere else to upgrade, don't by them from the expensive source you're getting them from. See point 2.
4.b. They're not some magical devices that require a special torx wrench to get in to. If I can replace a dead HDD in my iMac, any idiot can.
(Here's a pic of the process, right before I removed the LCD to get to the drive)


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5. Macs are not marketed as some beastly machines that live on the bleeding edge of computing. They are high end machines, sure, whose graphics might live at the medium range of the current generation, but not meant to be some insane gaming rig meant for 'teh h4rdc0r3'. They're meant to be stable machines that give the same experience possibilities to mom-and-pop users to the hardcore Unix user.
6. Moving away from the stupid bike analogy, if we're talking Cylons, macs would be the fleshjobs. They aren't as strong or fast as the toasters, but are more sophisticated software side. And hotter.

[OmegaZero_Alpha]

Now lets clear up some misconceptions:

2. You can upgrade your macs (when the hardware isn't integrated) without voiding your warranty. This includes RAM, HDD, etc.

As long as you buy buffered ram and said upgrade doesn't need drivers (like video cards) because if you don't buy it FOR MAC they refuse to give you the proper drivers to use them. And don't think you can pirate these, they litterally modify the firmware of the motherboards to deny cards that don't have proper GPU firmware.

so they're not complete dicks.

Except when they release a service pack and declare that it is worth 200$ (lol snow leopards)

4.a. If you realize that the parts you're buying are the same as you can buy from somewhere else to upgrade, don't by them from the expensive source you're getting them from.

UNLESS they are said parts that literally will be denied by the motherboard.

[supercommierussian]

Clearing some misconceptions:
And Apple regularly gives back to the OSS community, so they're not complete dicks.

Proof link?

Last time Ive checked my android it has a copyright reference to BSD (?) in 80% fucking files, cant say that about Iphone. Maybe because I don't own one.

[TheDopp]

Clearing some misconceptions:
And Apple regularly gives back to the OSS community, so they're not complete dicks.

Proof link?

Last time Ive checked my android it has a copyright reference to BSD (?) in 80% fucking files, cant say that about Iphone. Maybe because I don't own one.

http://www.apple.com/opensource/ (current builds at http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1064/ )
http://developer.apple.com/opensource/
And those links (for some reason) doesn't include Webkit, one of its largest OSS projects.

Now lets clear up some misconceptions:

2. You can upgrade your macs (when the hardware isn't integrated) without voiding your warranty. This includes RAM, HDD, etc.

As long as you buy buffered ram and said upgrade doesn't need drivers (like video cards) because if you don't buy it FOR MAC they refuse to give you the proper drivers to use them. And don't think you can pirate these, they litterally modify the firmware of the motherboards to deny cards that don't have proper GPU firmware.

so they're not complete dicks.

Except when they release a service pack and declare that it is worth 200$ (lol snow leopards)

4.a. If you realize that the parts you're buying are the same as you can buy from somewhere else to upgrade, don't by them from the expensive source you're getting them from.

UNLESS they are said parts that literally will be denied by the motherboard.

-http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDAzOA&mco=MTM3NDgwNjU I'm not sure where you're seeing $200. Traditional releases like 10.5 (10.6 was a special case) are $99, with Family Packs for ~150.

-Your use of the term 'Service Packs' is stuck in the Microsoft world where if an OS release doesn't have a fancy name or date attached to it it must be a service pack. 10.6.4 is a service pack. 10.6 is a new OS over 10.5, with new functionality. It's the same basic kernel, and contains many of the same OS extensions 10.5 used, but the added functionality and stability is what you're purchasing. 10.6 may not have been such a huge leap as 10.5 was to 10.4, but was more than a bugfix collection.

-If you're wanting to use the bleeding edge graphics cards, fine. Install them in your mac pro (which I've already said was a steaming pile), and then switch to bootcamp to use them for something (Macs have no games, remember?). The OSX drivers may not exist.

-Buffered(registered) memory is an antiquated (if previously true) stereotype. My iMac takes unbuffered. Modern Macs take unbuffered.

[jwstohr]

I hear upgrading to larger pedals is like +$300.

[Snarf]

Boy in my day, adding a couple numbers on the end didn't make it another 100 dollars.