[Zeitgeist]

Sups, I guess my mistake was thinking people wanted to take this more seriously then they did. If you make it an actually tournament, then you need some structure. But if you just want to get together and dick around gold rush vs valve maps #1 I'm sure we can hook something up.

If anyone wants to compete 6v6, I'd like to organize something and my guys are more than up to the challenge. Otherwise, I'll keep my nose out of things since it only seems like I'm making matters worse.

I'm with you here, and this is why i made the post. i think half the people here just want to fuck around and mix up the players from the servers and have some fun. which sounds awesome, id like to come.

but there are also a lot of us that want a much more structured and organized type of fun, where we can talk a lot of shit, and have a real SEASON. so, with that in mind, getthere, do you want to maybe get together with pHd and DF and look at the possibility of our two clans hosting a more structured team tourney with sourceop?

[Drunken F00l]

LOL, tis true. I think DF needs to add a message to the server when people enter to point to the forum and that there is a tourny.

I will when more details are decided.

[getthere1tme]

but there are also a lot of us that want a much more structured and organized type of fun, where we can talk a lot of shit, and have a real SEASON. so, with that in mind, getthere, do you want to maybe get together with pHd and DF and look at the possibility of our two clans hosting a more structured team tourney with sourceop?

If we really have enough people that want a 6v6 season for sourceOPians then I'd be more than happy to organize.

[Kou]

Scrap this idea, and we can have a thumb war.

[Isuxdix]

I figure once df starts advertising it, they'll be quite a few more players wanting to participate and we'll probably have 2-4 twelve-person teams from each server available on tournament day.

So maybe depending on how many people show up on tourney day we can decide on the day of. Like if 16 or 20 arrive(from each server), then we have a 16v16 match (with some alternates) just like the servers are now. If 24+ show up, we have two 12-person teams. If 32+ show up we have two 16-person teams and so on. I can foresee a problem of team selection the day of the tournament due to friends wanting to play with other friends (understandable) but we'll figure it out.

And I think 1time should totally organize 6 or 8 person tournament type of play and see if people are interested in that.

[insomniaprincess]

Scrap this idea, and we can have a thumb war.

One... two... three... four...

*flexes thumbs in anticipation*

[avy]

I accept your challenge.

[Drunken F00l]

Hold on, we just need your finger prints. So if you could please dip your finger in this vat of ink over here. Good. Now please place it on this slice of butcher paper. Excellent.

[insomniaprincess]

Sups, I guess my mistake was thinking people wanted to take this more seriously then they did. If you make it an actually tournament, then you need some structure. But if you just want to get together and dick around gold rush vs valve maps #1 I'm sure we can hook something up.

If anyone wants to compete 6v6, I'd like to organize something and my guys are more than up to the challenge. Otherwise, I'll keep my nose out of things since it only seems like I'm making matters worse.

I'm with you here, and this is why i made the post. i think half the people here just want to fuck around and mix up the players from the servers and have some fun. which sounds awesome, id like to come.

but there are also a lot of us that want a much more structured and organized type of fun, where we can talk a lot of shit, and have a real SEASON. so, with that in mind, getthere, do you want to maybe get together with pHd and DF and look at the possibility of our two clans hosting a more structured team tourney with sourceop?

I think this may be the best place to post my opinions on this whole issue. I understand both sides and I am not choosing sides here. Whatever is decided, I will still help however I can.

However, I want to point out that quite a few regulars of SourceOP servers were once pro or semi-pro players or at least people who played first-person shooters competitively.

Many of them enjoy these servers because of standard maps, almost always full servers and (typically) decently skilled players to compete with. Many are not members of clans because they don't want to play seriously competitive anymore. Some are members of small, friend-based clans. Most just want to hang out and have some fun on some cool servers.

While the idea of clan-based tourneys is certainly interesting, it doesn't really seem to fit with SourceOP. I'm not knocking the skill of the players in these clans- you guys are awesome. But if you want to be that serious and start "competitive TF2", shouldn't you have your own servers like real competitive clans?

How exactly do you plan to have a season of clan vs clan tournaments on public servers? Are you expecting DF to reserve his servers for you during your match times?

There's nothing wrong with Frost's original idea of just having regulars from the different servers get together and play-off for a series of maps. It's a great way to let the "regs" of the different servers get to know one another and it could be fun to see how the skill and teamwork matches up between players and servers. That doesn't mean we can't take the idea seriously and form structured play times and tournament dates.

What others are proposing is much more exclusive- forming the "dream teams" of each server and signing up clan-exclusive teams to play against others goes against the spirit of the original idea. Going with this idea, many regulars won't even get to play and they will feel they are being excluded- which is the one thing many players want to avoid when they play on SourceOP servers in the first place.

One of the main things that makes SourceOP servers great is the equality. When you first come here, you have just as much right and responsibility as the next guy. You have a fair shot to prove yourself as a player as anyone else. There are individual clan tags and player tags but SourceOP isn't a clan and you never have to worry that you're the "pub" and can't have fun here.

The idea of clan-based tournaments takes all that away. It says, "If you're not in the cool-kids' club, you can't sit at this lunch table."

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see some of the "big" clans duke it out for title of the best so we can all point and laugh at the losers. I'm just saying I'm afraid doing that sort of thing on SourceOP servers might actually turn some people away from the servers, which is definitely not what we want.

Just my 2 cents: take it or leave it but don't try to spend it; you can't get shit for 2 pennies these days.

[getthere1tme]

Here's the thing, IP. The 6v6 thing is meant to be competitive, of course, but I'll say this one more time for reiteration. IT IS NOT LIMITED TO CLANS. ANY 6 DUDES/CHICKS/FARM ANIMALS CAN ENTER. I'm not trying to exclude anyone. In fact, this tournament is better to INCLUDE people. Smaller teams, lower common denominator, more people can form a team and play pretty easily. The purpose is to cater to those who are more competitive or maybe want to try competitive play but are too intimidated to join a big league or don't know where to start.

Also, yes, PMS|H2O has servers. DF also said he was willing to provide a server and has been very supportive.

Let me also respond to your post in the other thread here. DF hasn't mentioned anything at all about being bothered with this second tournament and it IS a tourney for his regulars. It's just a different style is all. DF comes off as the kind of guy who would say something if it bothered him or we were presuming too much and I hope he would. I have nothing but the utmost respect for DF and the way he's created and maintains all these servers.